X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2011 00:40:17 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.96] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4c2) with ESMTP id 4932581 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 04 Apr 2011 19:19:08 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=76.96.62.96; envelope-from=j.hafen@comcast.net Received: from omta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.43]) by qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Tb8D1g0090vyq2s59bJbN9; Mon, 04 Apr 2011 23:18:35 +0000 Received: from [10.0.1.5] ([24.17.111.171]) by omta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id TbJZ1g00L3hvfg83RbJaS5; Mon, 04 Apr 2011 23:18:35 +0000 Subject: Re: [LML] Re: True "composite" question Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-27--618118955 From: John Hafen In-Reply-To: <010101cbf31d$2af96660$80ec3320$@miller@verizon.net> X-Original-Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 16:18:31 -0700 X-Original-Cc: X-Original-Message-Id: References: <010101cbf31d$2af96660$80ec3320$@miller@verizon.net> X-Original-To: "Danny Miller" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) --Apple-Mail-27--618118955 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Oh it will fly just fine. You just can't get too close to the sun. John Hafen On Apr 4, 2011, at 4:08 PM, Danny Miller wrote: Now that=92s funny! Be sure to let all of know when this is done so we = can watch you try to fly it. =20 Danny Miller N 38=B0 43' 25.7" W 77=B0 30' 38.6" =20 From: John Hafen [mailto:j.hafen@comcast.net]=20 Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 2:41 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: Re: [LML] Re: True "composite" question =20 Interesting idea. =20 I'm thinking of removing the wings from my IVP and replacing them with = flexible wooden spar frames held together with Elmer's glue, and = covering them with wax and feathers. =20 John Hafen =20 =20 =20 =20 On Apr 1, 2011, at 11:13 AM, Gary Edwards wrote: Wow! What an idea. I hope you don't do it. This one is likely to = generate a large amount of responses.=20 =20 First thing to do: fire the A&P. Second thing to do: keep building it per the plans. =20 There is nothing wrong with the wing or the rest of the plane. There = are hundreds of them flying. Like any plane, mind the numbers properly = and all will be fine. =20 Gary Edwards LNC2 ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim J=F8rgensen To: lml@lancaironline.net Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 7:34 AM Subject: [LML] True "composite" question =20 Hi all. =20 My LNC2 is near completion and I have started preparing all the = paperwork necessary for the flight permit. During my research I have stumbeled across the NTSB website and made a = search on "Lancair 360". For those of you who have not done that = (probably most!), this is HORRIFIC reading !!! There seems to be quite a large number of stall related accidents, which = leads me to believe that the airfoil is basically unsafe. Anyway, I am = not going to fly this thing as is, although I have had my license for = more than 20 years and have accumulated more than 200 hrs. I have now come across a set of RV-7 wings that survived a hangar = collapse last winter. This airfoil seems much more forgiving, anyway, = that is what my A&P says, and I am trying to come up with a way to = install them on my otherwise finished airframe. I will, of course, have = to keep the stub wings and make them fit the slightly larger RV wing = but, apart from that, would I be in for at lot work? Has anyone done = this before? Any advice taken! =20 Regards Tim Jorgensen Lancair 360, was 95% done, now back to maybe 60%.....=20 =20 =20 --Apple-Mail-27--618118955 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Oh it will fly just fine.  You just can't get = too close to the sun.

John = Hafen

On Apr 4, 2011, at 4:08 PM, Danny Miller = wrote:

Now that=92s funny!  Be sure to let all of know when = this is done so we can watch you try to fly = it.
Danny = Miller
N 38=B0 43' = 25.7"
W 77=B0 30' = 38.6"
From: John = Hafen [mailto:j.hafen@comcast.net] 
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 2:41 = AM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: True = "composite" question
 
Interesting = idea.
I'm thinking of removing the wings from my = IVP and replacing them with flexible wooden spar frames held together = with Elmer's glue, and covering them with wax and = feathers.
John = Hafen
On Apr 1, = 2011, at 11:13 AM, Gary Edwards = wrote:
Wow!  What an idea.  I hope you don't do it.  = This one is likely to generate a large amount of = responses. First thing to do: fire the = A&P.
Second thing to do: keep building it per the = plans.
There is nothing wrong with the wing or the rest of the = plane.  There are hundreds of them flying.  Like any plane, = mind the numbers properly and all will be = fine.
Gary Edwards
LNC2
----- Original Message = -----
During my research I = have stumbeled across the NTSB website and made a search on = "Lancair 360". For those of you who have not done that (probably most!), = this is HORRIFIC reading !!!There seems to be quite = a large number of stall related accidents, which leads me to believe = that the airfoil is basically unsafe. Anyway, I am not going to fly this = thing as is, although I have had my license for more than 20 years and = have accumulated more than 200 hrs.I have now come across a = set of RV-7 wings that survived a hangar collapse last winter. This = airfoil seems much more forgiving, anyway, that is what my A&P says, = and I am trying to come up with a way to install them on my otherwise = finished airframe. I will, of course, have to keep the stub wings and = make them fit the slightly larger RV wing but, apart from that, would I = be in for at lot work? Has anyone done this before? Any advice = taken!Tim = JorgensenLancair 360, was 95% = done, now back to maybe 60%.....