X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2011 02:40:23 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [216.215.54.194] (HELO smwireless.net) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4c2) with ESMTP id 4930424 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 02 Apr 2011 11:23:47 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=216.215.54.194; envelope-from=reddog@smwireless.net Received: from VALUEDE91AB895 ([10.7.244.9]) by smwireless.net (smwireless.net) (MDaemon PRO v9.6.6) with ESMTP id md50007965263.msg for ; Sat, 02 Apr 2011 08:23:10 -0700 X-Spam-Processed: smwireless.net, Sat, 02 Apr 2011 08:23:10 -0700 (not processed: message from trusted or authenticated source) X-MDRemoteIP: 10.7.244.9 X-Return-Path: reddog@smwireless.net X-Envelope-From: reddog@smwireless.net X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: lml@lancaironline.net From: "Bill Maddox" X-Original-To: References: Subject: RE: True "composite" question X-Original-Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 08:23:10 -0700 X-Original-Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0133_01CBF10F.3414E860" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcvxRXiqOOdccOldRhWYU6vwyfUdjAAANVzQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 In-Reply-To: X-MDAV-Processed: smwireless.net, Sat, 02 Apr 2011 08:23:11 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0133_01CBF10F.3414E860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok this is why I said nuts=20 First: You don=92t have flying experience 20 hrs a year + the ticket = isn=92t time flying=20 Second : this is exactly why most crash there plane in the ntsb reports = you read=20 Third : You need seat time and a good stall warning device [ aoa] that works not a pair of wings that will not work on that plane=20 Just a look at this from my own perspective you see most of the = accidents stem from building the plane and not flying and that is the real issue=20 I=92m my own worst critic for I hadn=92t flown for some time as well = even though I have many thousands of hours I still think I need seat time in = what ever I fly be it a c-150 or a Boeing , Douglas or a gulfstream which I = have many hours in all four=20 If you go further into most accidents you might find the power plant = failed first not the wing so you might want to look into 2 engines first then = a plane that can accommodate the power plants and also go twice as slow = and 4 times the fuel Be safe=20 Engine out is a training exercise that needs training by all pilots = and is a forgotten training tool for most of the accidents are related to = forward speed before you reach the gate=20 I was told this in training some 50 years ago and it still holds water = as I taught it to my students - if all goes wrong FLY THE F-en PLANE Bill = =20 =20 _____ =20 From: Tim J=F8rgensen [mailto:tj@yacht-pool.dk]=20 Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 7:35 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: True "composite" question =20 Hi all. =20 My LNC2 is near completion and I have started preparing all the = paperwork necessary for the flight permit. During my research I have stumbeled across the NTSB website and made a search on "Lancair 360". For those of you who have not done that = (probably most!), this is HORRIFIC reading !!! There seems to be quite a large number of stall related accidents, which leads me to believe that the airfoil is basically unsafe. Anyway, I am = not going to fly this thing as is, although I have had my license for more = than 20 years and have accumulated more than 200 hrs. I have now come across a set of RV-7 wings that survived a hangar = collapse last winter. This airfoil seems much more forgiving, anyway, that is = what my A&P says, and I am trying to come up with a way to install them on my otherwise finished airframe. I will, of course, have to keep the stub = wings and make them fit the slightly larger RV wing but, apart from that, = would I be in for at lot work? Has anyone done this before? Any advice taken! =20 Regards Tim Jorgensen Lancair 360, was 95% done, now back to maybe 60%.....=20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0133_01CBF10F.3414E860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Ok this is why I said nuts =

=A0First: You don’t have flying experience =A020 hrs a year + the ticket = isn’t time flying

Second : this is exactly why most crash there plane in the ntsb reports you read =

=A0Third : You need seat time and a good stall warning device [ aoa]=A0 that works = not a pair of wings that will not work on that plane =

=A0Just a look at this from my own perspective=A0=A0 you see most of the accidents stem from building the = plane and not flying and that is the real issue

=A0I’m my own worst critic = for I hadn’t flown for some time as well even though I have many thousands of hours I = still think I need seat time in what ever I fly be it a c-150 or a Boeing , = Douglas or a gulfstream which I have many hours in all four =

=A0If you go further into most = accidents you might find the power plant failed first not the wing =A0so you might = want to look into 2 engines first then a plane that can accommodate the power plants = and also go twice as slow and 4 times the fuel=A0=A0 Be safe =

=A0 Engine out is a training = exercise that needs training by all pilots and is a forgotten training tool=A0 for = most of the accidents are related to forward speed =A0before you reach the gate =

=A0I was told this in training some = 50 years ago and it still holds water as I taught it to my students - if all goes = wrong FLY THE =A0F-en PLANE=A0=A0=A0 Bill

 

 

From: Tim J=F8rgensen [mailto:tj@yacht-pool.dk]
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 7:35 = AM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: True "composite" question

 

Hi all.

 

My LNC2 is near completion and I have started = preparing all the paperwork necessary for the flight = permit.

During my research I have stumbeled across the NTSB = website and made a search on "Lancair 360". For those of you who = have not done that (probably most!), this is HORRIFIC reading = !!!

There seems to be quite a large number of stall = related accidents, which leads me to believe that the airfoil is basically = unsafe. Anyway, I am not going to fly this thing as is, although I have had my = license for more than 20 years and have accumulated more than 200 = hrs.

I have now come across a set of RV-7 wings that = survived a hangar collapse last winter. This airfoil seems much more forgiving, = anyway, that is what my A&P says, and I am trying to come up with a way to = install them on my otherwise finished airframe. I will, of course, have to keep = the stub wings and make them fit the slightly larger RV wing but, apart from = that, would I be in for at lot work? Has anyone done this before? Any advice = taken!

 

Regards

Tim Jorgensen

Lancair 360, was 95% done, now back to maybe = 60%..... 

  

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