X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2011 08:02:10 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from nm17-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com ([98.138.91.58] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4c2) with SMTP id 4928810 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 23:54:27 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.138.91.58; envelope-from=randylsnarr@yahoo.com Received: from [98.138.90.57] by nm17.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2011 03:53:52 -0000 Received: from [98.138.88.232] by tm10.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2011 03:53:52 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1032.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2011 03:53:52 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 472964.4564.bm@omp1032.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 79547 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Apr 2011 03:53:52 -0000 DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=QDys4mOtbV6xq6mfaaslEH+uBdUWluW+LK6YdhnTS0LzCfo0PnJSSnMrxv8cc0KqR9bA1oV+ZSc8Ywd6/1+oBuaVaZIYeETOmPb6sSJiDOvVrbV+nxfVvjVOhJO5uACyU+/JrPyvmkIOZKMQqi7UJ3nzvY3NZOsDRFASiRB1YRI=; X-Original-Message-ID: <89379.65618.qm@web111412.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: WNx3hzYVM1n3YD7mDGR0nilj4wKTO5dg7XeMOOqC6SmtRi3 2cxFqmVnOYhzzM3_ZvsbkQZqZZaIoXRmWTktWmnCTNz4HgTH6g4XlXMr7YLY 3VGIH7c5lUxwUpJlQzAB0l.lzUaXuyDMMaFmZAdslnN1NSh7CVZ3DSA5goPH _otRZHBaYGWPJPc1IiC75ryGVp9LfmVhMTA5ONYhgqGrbwgTFHiEHyEwAN8g VxlJfmzV1UGjvHZqn_9P0ugIa4XeMaeQN22Q.9jXNHMYLmv7w7NYs8BO.Sx1 HGiTZl62aDPQo5huCvNNk2cwEoR.EC6yjwPEuD_lJK3APCZEY_RSOWB6CfQ9 qKt5FiqUEUK6MtuH5EC.bziACymMadnUzM2AoFDst1j_HIkNUncgYS_H0lL1 MdOgTsLQSsPqAdQ-- Received: from [76.8.220.21] by web111412.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 20:53:51 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/12.0.2 YahooMailWebService/0.8.109.295617 X-Original-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 20:53:51 -0700 (PDT) From: randy snarr Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Finishing Elevator Question X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-198455908-1301630031=:65618" --0-198455908-1301630031=:65618 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mine were the same way, I just filled it in with super fil and blocked it o= ut. Not perfectly flat but very close so it looks nice with paint. The weig= ht is insignificant..with Super fil. My total airplane is only 1025 empty w= ith an IO320 Constant Speed prop and nice avionics and light body filler on= the elevators.... Randy Snarr N694RS "Flight by machines heavier than air is unpractical and insignificant, if n= ot utterly impossible" -Simon Newcomb, 1902 --- On Tue, 3/29/11, Bob Smiley wrote: From: Bob Smiley Subject: [LML] Re: Finishing Elevator Question To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tuesday, March 29, 2011, 8:14 AM =0A=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AI had the same problem with= the H Stab. I=0Aused foam covered with one bid of glass. I think this was = lighter than filler.=0ASuper Fill is a very light filler as well for fine w= ork. You will have more=0Aelevator authority after your fix. =0A=0ABob Smil= ey =0A=0A =A0 =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AFrom:=0A Lancair Mailing List [= mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Christian Meier =0ASent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 5:20=0AAM =0ATo: lml@lancaironline.net =0ASubject: [LML] Finishing Elevator=0AQuestion =0A=0A=0A=0A =A0 =0A=0A=0A= =0AStan, =0A=0A=0A=0AMy Elevators are bowed concave in my 360. Upper side m= ore, lower side=0Aless. (about 5mm) =0A=0A=0A=0AFlying since 70 hours now b= ut never felt a difference. =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AI did not want to spread much= filler on the skin, as you add a lot of=0Aneedless weight. =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A= =0AYou also have to add a lot of counterbalance weights.... =A0So save=0Awe= ight where you can!! =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AThe leading edge of the elevaters sh= ould be flush with the horizontal=0Askin, so the airflow stays laminar when= it=A0 =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0Agoes over the gap. =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ASame with ail= erons: keep the skins flush or thicker. =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AI think the Legac= y horizontal are the same as the 360 MKII =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =A0 =0A=0A=0A= =0A=0A=0AChristian =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =A0 =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0Awww.lancair.at = =A0-look for=0Apictures =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =A0 =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =A0 =0A= =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=A0=A0 Do I need to fill in the concave shape to= =0Acreate a straight Elevator surface or just prime and sand what I have? = =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A --0-198455908-1301630031=:65618 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mine were the same way, I just filled it in w= ith super fil and blocked it out. Not perfectly flat but very close so it l= ooks nice with paint. The weight is insignificant..with Super fil. My total= airplane is only 1025 empty with an IO320 Constant Speed prop and nice avi= onics and light body filler on the elevators....
Randy Snarr
N694RS
"Flight by machines heavier than = air is unpractical and insignificant, if not utterly impossible"
= -Simon Newcomb, 1902

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I had the same problem with= the H Stab. I=0Aused foam covered with one bid of glass. I think this was = lighter than filler.=0ASuper Fill is a very light filler as well for fine w= ork. You will have more=0Aelevator authority after your fix.<= /p> =0A=0A

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My Elevators are bowed conca= ve in my 360. Upper side more, lower side=0Aless. (about 5mm)=

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Flying since 70 h= ours now but never felt a difference.

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I did not want to spread much= filler on the skin, as you add a lot of=0Aneedless weight. =0A=0A

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You als= o have to add a lot of counterbalance weights....  So save=0Aweight wh= ere you can!!

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The leading edge of the elevaters should be flush wit= h the horizontal=0Askin, so the airflow stays laminar when it <= /font>

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Same with ailerons: keep the skins flush or thi= cker.

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