X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2011 09:14:25 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from nm7.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com ([98.139.91.77] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4c2o) with SMTP id 4889837 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 03 Mar 2011 17:57:43 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.139.91.77; envelope-from=randylsnarr@yahoo.com Received: from [98.139.91.63] by nm7.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2011 22:57:09 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.56] by tm3.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2011 22:57:09 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1056.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2011 22:57:08 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 993729.87831.bm@omp1056.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 28934 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Mar 2011 22:57:08 -0000 DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=t0drc3pXa9Kcj1v2gPnB56FmJRGFV1vpn9Thu2V23ibdwLuSRL0sQR29HJmyCjKOr67QRbn2EXW/yzWIUTBohrVYBA9/LWZnrLUm0viS4WzGmrY72xrUxU3ZXbCZzK6aACkYUdNwcln29bYrsaKrLbupXqKUz6bMd+yvaywasqM=; X-Original-Message-ID: <311575.18947.qm@web111407.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: YAINpkUVM1n73GV_eDcY.5JVnt.kvxCiG5W2Ua5AZtUYuRu HPzeR8E5FvNm8pch.uAfzEkOFjadykBLTx_nxWvZ7X9tkUzoRkJYUT5RHjIW JP1lQ_0HFO.kHBf9qImShJdOkML1CJ1MiUSbUZ.FuDSs7F5emUgHirK65ogC _X4_4dpFIbHRsHH6SQU_ANsCS2F09DDNVEoVgtRxJsOPJVHiL0BGmwbPiiUX r4b8XCrTKHfVqtvsKK09M7yJu7jPpb2_sjMJHDndRj3scTulGF0puUd697UW pBlwpuoBa1gtTG3yVWM0OdVjG1XTB4WD70BsAybnIPkuV22kvRv55TUdRc9k eY.65DjPbzNrSvzA68DcLFZ6XU_atd1i0v.tpXBNcNMk749kx.QE1060eRkw 1574X4ZTKH9U7 Received: from [69.169.190.15] by web111407.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 Mar 2011 14:57:08 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.4.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.109.292656 X-Original-Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 14:57:08 -0800 (PST) From: randy snarr Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Burned dust cover looking for material that wontburn. X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2117718377-1299193028=:18947" --0-2117718377-1299193028=:18947 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bill, Generally speaking, you burn holes in the glare shield sides when the sun i= s behind the airplane and the canopy is most of the way up. I have tried to be careful and I have 20 or so burn marks in my new dash le= ather... It is purely cosmetic as it only happens when the canopy is open and if the= conditions are right, you can get a burn mark in seconds. If you leave it,= it will just make smoke and make a little black hole in your dash.. I am going to solve this... Randy Snarr N694RS "Flight by machines heavier than air is unpractical and insignificant, if n= ot utterly impossible" -Simon Newcomb, 1902 --- On Thu, 3/3/11, Bill Bradburry wrote: From: Bill Bradburry Subject: [LML] Re: Burned dust cover looking for material that wontburn. To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thursday, March 3, 2011, 1:37 PM =0A=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A =0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AWhat is the scenario th= at causes the dust=0Acover to burn?=C2=A0 Why is it only the dust cover?=C2= =A0 What are the sun=0Aangles, canopy angles, etc that causes this to happe= n?=C2=A0 What prevents the=0Adust cover from catching on fire and burning t= he plane to the ground? =0A=0AI understand that this phenomenon happens,=0A= but I don=E2=80=99t understand anything else about it.=C2=A0 Can someone pl= ease=0Aexplain? =0A=0A =C2=A0 =0A=0ABill B =0A=0A =C2=A0 =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A= =0A=0A=0A=0AFrom: Lancair Mailing=0AList [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On = Behalf=0AOf randy snarr =0ASent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011=0A9:32 PM =0ATo: lml@lancaironline.net =0ASubject: [LML] Re: Burned dust=0Acover looking for material that wontbur= n. =0A=0A=0A=0A =C2=A0 =0A=0A=0A =0A =0A Gary ,=0A =20 =0A I thought of that too. =0A Anything but black reflects in the window. Colors to varying degrees b= ut foil=0A is too much.. =0A =20 =0A Carbon fiber is the stuff. I have tested it and it will not burn or ma= ke a=0A mark. =0A I am planning to make some patches for the sides of the dust cover lik= e the=0A elbows on a sport jacket. I plan to glue them down with spray adh= esive. I=0A just need a good way to finish the edges so it has a nice clea= n look. =0A My dust cover is flat black so black carbon fiber may by my answer. =0A Still working on a solution to make it permanent... =0A I will post what I end up doing.. =0A Randy Snarr =0A 235-320 =0A N694RS =0A =20 =0A =20 =0A "Flight by machines heavier than air=0A is unpractical and insignific= ant, if not utterly impossible" =0A -Simon Newcomb, 1902 =0A =20 =0A --- On Wed, 3/2/11, Gary Edwards =0A wrote: =0A= =20 =0A From: Gary Edwards =0A Subject: [LML] Re: Burned dust cover looking for material that wontbur= n. =0A To: lml@lancaironline.net =0A Date: Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 5:58 AM =0A =0A =0A =0A How about = using a=0A patch of Zetex in the areas prone to burning? =0A =0A =0A = =C2=A0 =0A =0A =0A Gary =0A =0A =0A =0A ----- Original Message=0A -= ---- =0A =0A =0A From: randylsnarr@yahoo.com=0A =0A =0A =0A To: lm= l@lancaironline.net=0A =0A =0A =0A Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 12:19= PM =0A =0A =0A Subject: [LML] Re: Burned dust cover looking for materia= l that wontburn. =0A =0A =0A =C2=A0 =0A =0A I have tried to do=0A th= e same. I really would like a better solution though. Sooner or later it is= =0A going to happen again. i just picked up some cloth material that will = not=0A burn. I will post my findings to the group if it works. Randy Snarr= =0A Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A From:=0A = "Gary=0A Edwards" =0A =0A =0A Sender:=0A "Lan= cair=0A Mailing List" =0A =0A =0A Date:=0A Fr= i, 25 Feb 2011=0A 09:50:35 -0500 =0A =0A =0A To:=0A =0A =0A =0A ReplyTo:=0A "Lancair=0A Mailing List" =0A =0A =0A Subject:=0A [LML] Re: Burned=0A dust cover look= ing for material that wont burn. =0A =0A =0A =C2=A0 =0A =0A =0A =0A = My second=0A re-covering of the glare shield lasted about 48 hours withou= t a burn=0A mark.=C2=A0 Got distracted when a TV camera crew walked up wit= h the camera=0A rolling (my 15 minutes of fame).=C2=A0 So, I said, "screw= =0A this".=C2=A0 I put an EAA sticker over the burn marks.=C2=A0 It's been= =0A there for 9 years.=C2=A0 I try to not park with the sun behind the=0A = plane and try to keep the canopy closed.=C2=A0 A bit difficult when I pull= =0A the plane out of the hanger and it's facing north for taxi. =0A =0A = =0A =C2=A0 =0A =0A =0A Gary Edwards =0A =0A =0A LNC2 =0A =0A =0A = =0A ----- Original Message=0A ----- =0A =0A =0A From: randy=0A snarr= =0A =0A =0A To: lml@lancaironline.net=0A =0A =0A =0A Sent: Thursd= ay, February 24, 2011 8:13 AM =0A =0A =0A Subject: [LML] Burned dust cov= er looking for material that wont burn. =0A =0A =0A =C2=A0 =0A =0A = =0A =0A =0A Everyone has seen the=0A burn marks on your dust cov= er over the instrument panel from the canopy=0A glass caused by the sun = when it hits at the right angle. =0A Mine was really nice. It was covered in a sinthetic black leather. A= nyway,=0A I have already recovered it once and tried to be really carefu= l with it. In=0A short, it has about 20 or so burn marks in it in 2 year= s.=20 =0A =20 =0A I am looking for a black material (or could be painted black) that w= ill not=0A burn that is thin that two 8" patches could be made to protec= t the=0A sides of the glare shield where the sun is hitting it.=20 =0A Basically I would use an adhesive to glue down these patches where t= he sun=0A hits to stop the burn holes... =0A =20 =0A Any ideas? =0A Randy Snarr =0A N694RS =0A 235/320 =0A =20 =0A =20 =0A =20 =0A "Flight by machines heavier than=0A air is unpractical and insign= ificant, if not utterly impossible" =0A -Simon Newcomb, 1902 =0A =20 =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A=0A=0A= =C2=A0 =0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A --0-2117718377-1299193028=:18947 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A =0A
Bill,
Generally speaking, you burn holes i= n the glare shield sides when the sun is behind the airplane and the canopy= is most of the way up.
I have tried to be careful and I have 20 or so b= urn marks in my new dash leather...
It is purely cosmetic as it only hap= pens when the canopy is open and if the conditions are right, you can get a= burn mark in seconds. If you leave it, it will just make smoke and make a = little black hole in your dash..
I am going to solve this...
Randy Sn= arr
N694RS

"Flight by machine= s heavier than air is unpractical and insignificant, if not utterly impossi= ble"
-Simon Newcomb, 1902

--- On Thu, 3/3/11, Bill Brad= burry <bbradburry@bellsouth.net> wrote:

From: Bill Bradburry <bbradburry@bellsouth.net>
Subject= : [LML] Re: Burned dust cover looking for material that wontburn.
To: lm= l@lancaironline.net
Date: Thursday, March 3, 2011, 1:37 PM

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Wh= at is the scenario that causes the dust=0Acover to burn?  Why is it on= ly the dust cover?  What are the sun=0Aangles, canopy angles, etc that= causes this to happen?  What prevents the=0Adust cover from catching = on fire and burning the plane to the ground?

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= I underst= and that this phenomenon happens,=0Abut I don=E2=80=99t understand anything= else about it.  Can someone please=0Aexplain?

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From:= Lancair Mailing=0AList [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf=0AOf randy snarr
=0A<= b>Sent: Wednesday, March 02, = 2011=0A9:32 PM
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Ga= ry ,=0A
=0A I thought of that too.
=0A Anything but= black reflects in the window. Colors to varying degrees but foil=0A is to= o much..
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=0A Carbon fiber is the stuff. I have tested it and i= t will not burn or make a=0A mark.
=0A I am planning to make some patc= hes for the sides of the dust cover like the=0A elbows on a sport jacket. = I plan to glue them down with spray adhesive. I=0A just need a good way to= finish the edges so it has a nice clean look.
=0A My dust cover is fla= t black so black carbon fiber may by my answer.
=0A Still working on a = solution to make it permanent...
=0A I will post what I end up doing..<= br>=0A Randy Snarr
=0A 235-320
=0A N694RS
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=0A= "Flight by machines heavier than a= ir=0A is unpractical and insignificant, if not utterly impossible"<= /i>
=0A -Simon Newcomb, 1902
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=0A --- On Wed, 3/2/11, Gary Edwards <gary21sn@hotmail.com>=0A wrote:

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=0A Subject: [LML]= Re: Burned dust cover looking for material that wontburn.
=0A To: lml@= lancaironline.net
=0A Date: Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 5:58 AM

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How about= using a=0A patch of Zetex in the areas prone to burning? =0A

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I have tried= to do=0A the same. I really would like a better solution though. Sooner o= r later it is=0A going to happen again. i just picked up some cloth materi= al that will not=0A burn. I will post my findings to the group if it works= . Randy Snarr

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My second=0A re-covering of the glare shield lasted about 48 hou= rs without a burn=0A mark.  Got distracted when a TV camera crew walk= ed up with the camera=0A rolling (my 15 minutes of fame).  So, I said= , "screw=0A this".  I put an EAA sticker over the burn marks.  I= t's been=0A there for 9 years.  I try to not park with the sun= behind the=0A plane and try to keep the canopy closed.  A bit diffic= ult when I pull=0A the plane out of the hanger and it's facing north for t= axi.

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=0A Basically I would use an adhesive to= glue down these patches where the sun=0A hits to stop the burn holes...=
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