X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2011 09:14:25 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from snt0-omc3-s12.snt0.hotmail.com ([65.55.90.151] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4c2o) with ESMTP id 4890092 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 03 Mar 2011 22:33:51 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=65.55.90.151; envelope-from=gary21sn@hotmail.com Received: from SNT112-DS10 ([65.55.90.137]) by snt0-omc3-s12.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 3 Mar 2011 19:33:16 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [24.216.248.63] X-Originating-Email: [gary21sn@hotmail.com] X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: gary21sn@hotmail.com From: "Gary Edwards" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: Subject: Re: Burned dust cover looking for material that wontburn. X-Original-Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 19:33:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0078_01CBD9D9.CF073DC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V10.00.0079.0400 In-Reply-To: Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 19:33:00 -0800 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Mar 2011 03:33:16.0621 (UTC) FILETIME=[E632A7D0:01CBDA1C] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0078_01CBD9D9.CF073DC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bill, When the canopy is open and the aircraft is positioned so the sun is at = the rear of the plane then the reflection angle off the underside of the = canopy glass focuses like a magnifying glass to the panel dust cover and = will burn pin holes or a spot about the size of a BB. The cover = material will melt in an area about the size of a pencil eraser. It = only takes about 30 seconds to happen. =20 I have never had (yet) it burn completely through the "Finesse" = (Ultra-leather) to the thin foam underlayment or to the fiberglass cover = itself. Maybe someone else can speak of worse damage than I. Closing the canopy about half way prevents this occurrence from = happening. Or not having the canopy open when the sun is behind the = plane, even if the sun is high in the sky, will prevent the damage. It only occurs when the canopy is open and the sun is behind, or nearly = so, the plane. I have a cut to shape piece 1/4" bubble silver sided = heat barrier from Ace Hardware that I carry rolled up in the baggage = compartment to unroll and put over the dust cover if I am going to have = the canopy open for any length of time, like at a fly-in or airport = gathering. Or I park the plane facing south. Gary Edwards LNC2 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bill Bradburry=20 To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 12:37 PM Subject: [LML] Re: Burned dust cover looking for material that = wontburn. What is the scenario that causes the dust cover to burn? Why is it = only the dust cover? What are the sun angles, canopy angles, etc that = causes this to happen? What prevents the dust cover from catching on = fire and burning the plane to the ground? I understand that this phenomenon happens, but I don't understand = anything else about it. Can someone please explain? =20 Bill B =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of = randy snarr Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 9:32 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: Burned dust cover looking for material that = wontburn. =20 Gary,=20 I thought of that too. Anything but black reflects in the window. Colors to varying = degrees but foil is too much.. Carbon fiber is the stuff. I have tested it and it will not burn = or make a mark. I am planning to make some patches for the sides of the dust = cover like the elbows on a sport jacket. I plan to glue them down with = spray adhesive. I just need a good way to finish the edges so it has a = nice clean look. My dust cover is flat black so black carbon fiber may by my = answer. Still working on a solution to make it permanent... I will post what I end up doing.. Randy Snarr 235-320 N694RS "Flight by machines heavier than air is unpractical and = insignificant, if not utterly impossible" -Simon Newcomb, 1902 --- On Wed, 3/2/11, Gary Edwards wrote: From: Gary Edwards Subject: [LML] Re: Burned dust cover looking for material that = wontburn. To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 5:58 AM How about using a patch of Zetex in the areas prone to burning? =20 Gary ----- Original Message -----=20 From: = randylsnarr@yahoo.com=20 To: = lml@lancaironline.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 12:19 PM Subject: [LML] Re: Burned dust cover looking for material that = wontburn. =20 I have tried to do the same. I really would like a better = solution though. Sooner or later it is going to happen again. i just = picked up some cloth material that will not burn. I will post my = findings to the group if it works. Randy Snarr=20 Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gary Edwards" =20 Sender: "Lancair Mailing List" =20 Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:50:35 -0500 To: ReplyTo: "Lancair Mailing List" =20 Subject: [LML] Re: Burned dust cover looking for material that = wont burn. =20 My second re-covering of the glare shield lasted about 48 = hours without a burn mark. Got distracted when a TV camera crew walked = up with the camera rolling (my 15 minutes of fame). So, I said, "screw = this". I put an EAA sticker over the burn marks. It's been there for 9 = years. I try to not park with the sun behind the plane and try to keep = the canopy closed. A bit difficult when I pull the plane out of the = hanger and it's facing north for taxi. =20 Gary Edwards LNC2 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: randy = snarr=20 To: = lml@lancaironline.net=20 Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 8:13 AM Subject: [LML] Burned dust cover looking for material that = wont burn. =20 Everyone has seen the burn marks on your dust cover = over the instrument panel from the canopy glass caused by the sun when = it hits at the right angle. Mine was really nice. It was covered in a sinthetic = black leather. Anyway, I have already recovered it once and tried to be = really careful with it. In short, it has about 20 or so burn marks in it = in 2 years.=20 I am looking for a black material (or could be painted = black) that will not burn that is thin that two 8" patches could be made = to protect the sides of the glare shield where the sun is hitting it.=20 Basically I would use an adhesive to glue down these = patches where the sun hits to stop the burn holes... Any ideas? Randy Snarr N694RS 235/320 "Flight by machines heavier than air is unpractical = and insignificant, if not utterly impossible" -Simon Newcomb, 1902 =20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0078_01CBD9D9.CF073DC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Bill,
 
When the canopy is open and the aircraft is positioned so the sun=20 is at the rear of the plane then the reflection angle off the = underside of=20 the canopy glass focuses like a magnifying glass to the panel dust = cover=20 and will burn pin holes or a spot about the size of a BB.  The = cover=20 material will melt in an area about the size of a pencil eraser.  = It only=20 takes about 30 seconds to happen. 
 
I have never had (yet) it burn completely through the "Finesse"=20 (Ultra-leather) to the thin foam underlayment or to the fiberglass cover = itself.  Maybe someone else can speak of worse damage than I.
 
Closing the canopy about half way prevents this occurrence from=20 happening.  Or not having the canopy open when the sun is behind = the plane,=20 even if the sun is high in the sky, will prevent the damage.
 
It only occurs when the canopy is open and the sun is behind, or = nearly so,=20 the plane.  I have a cut to shape piece 1/4" bubble silver = sided heat=20 barrier from Ace Hardware that I carry rolled up in the = baggage=20 compartment to unroll and put over the dust cover if I am going to = have the=20 canopy open for any length of time, like at a fly-in or airport = gathering. =20 Or I park the plane facing south.
 
Gary Edwards
LNC2  
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Bradburry
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 = 12:37=20 PM
Subject: [LML] Re: Burned dust = cover=20 looking for material that wontburn.

What is the = scenario=20 that causes the dust cover to burn?  Why is it only the dust = cover? =20 What are the sun angles, canopy angles, etc that causes this to = happen? =20 What prevents the dust cover from catching on fire and burning the = plane to=20 the ground?

I = understand that=20 this phenomenon happens, but I don't understand anything else about = it. =20 Can someone please explain?

 

Bill=20 B

 

From: Lancair=20 Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of randy = snarr
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 = 9:32=20 PM
To:=20 lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: Burned dust = cover=20 looking for material that wontburn.

 

Gary,
I=20 thought of that too.
Anything but black reflects in the = window.=20 Colors to varying degrees but foil is too much..

Carbon = fiber is=20 the stuff. I have tested it and it will not burn or make a = mark.
I am=20 planning to make some patches for the sides of the dust cover = like the=20 elbows on a sport jacket. I plan to glue them down with spray = adhesive.=20 I just need a good way to finish the edges so it has a nice = clean=20 look.
My dust cover is flat black so black carbon fiber may = by my=20 answer.
Still working on a solution to make it = permanent...
I will=20 post what I end up doing..
Randy=20 Snarr
235-320
N694RS


"Flight by machines heavier than = air is=20 unpractical and insignificant, if not utterly=20 impossible"
-Simon Newcomb, 1902

--- On = Wed, 3/2/11, Gary Edwards <gary21sn@hotmail.com>=20 wrote:


From: Gary=20 Edwards <gary21sn@hotmail.com>
Subject: [LML] Re: = Burned dust=20 cover looking for material that wontburn.
To:=20 lml@lancaironline.net
Date: Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 5:58=20 AM

How about=20 using a patch of Zetex in the areas prone to=20 burning?

 

Gary

-----=20 Original Message -----

From: = randylsnarr@yahoo.com=20

To: = lml@lancaironline.net=20

Sent: = Tuesday,=20 March 01, 2011 12:19 PM

Subject: = [LML] Re:=20 Burned dust cover looking for material that=20 wontburn.

 

I have=20 tried to do the same. I really would like a better solution = though.=20 Sooner or later it is going to happen again. i just picked up = some=20 cloth material that will not burn. I will post my findings to = the=20 group if it works. Randy Snarr

Sent via=20 BlackBerry from T-Mobile

From:=20 "Gary=20 Edwards" <gary21sn@hotmail.com>=20

Sender:=20 "Lancair=20 Mailing List" <lml@lancaironline.net>=20

Date:=20 Fri, 25=20 Feb 2011 09:50:35 -0500

To:=20 <lml@lancaironline.net>

ReplyTo:=20 "Lancair=20 Mailing List" <lml@lancaironline.net>=20

Subject:=20 [LML] Re:=20 Burned dust cover looking for material that wont=20 burn.

 

My second=20 re-covering of the glare shield lasted about 48 hours without = a burn=20 mark.  Got distracted when a TV camera crew walked up = with the=20 camera rolling (my 15 minutes of fame).  So, I said, = "screw=20 this".  I put an EAA sticker over the burn marks.  = It's been=20 there for 9 years.  I try to not park with the sun = behind=20 the plane and try to keep the canopy closed.  A bit = difficult=20 when I pull the plane out of the hanger and it's facing north = for=20 taxi.

 

Gary=20 Edwards

LNC2

-----=20 Original Message -----

From: = randy snarr=20

To: = lml@lancaironline.net=20

Sent: = Thursday,=20 February 24, 2011 8:13 AM

Subject: = [LML]=20 Burned dust cover looking for material that wont=20 burn.

 

Everyone=20 has seen the burn marks on your dust cover over the = instrument=20 panel from the canopy glass caused by the sun when it = hits at=20 the right angle.
Mine was really nice. It was = covered in a=20 sinthetic black leather. Anyway, I have already = recovered it=20 once and tried to be really careful with it. In short, = it has=20 about 20 or so burn marks in it in 2 years.

I = am=20 looking for a black material (or could be painted = black) that=20 will not burn that is thin that two 8" patches could = be made=20 to protect the sides of the glare shield where the sun = is=20 hitting it.
Basically I would use an adhesive to = glue down=20 these patches where the sun hits to stop the burn=20 holes...

Any ideas?
Randy=20 Snarr
N694RS
235/320



"Flight by machines = heavier than=20 air is unpractical and insignificant, if not utterly=20 impossible"
-Simon Newcomb,=20 = 1902

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