X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2011 09:14:25 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imr-da04.mx.aol.com ([205.188.105.146] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4c2o) with ESMTP id 4890087 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 03 Mar 2011 22:45:48 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.188.105.146; envelope-from=Sky2high@aol.com Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p243j5ao022885 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 22:45:05 -0500 Received: from Sky2high@aol.com by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id q.d3e.6058cb14 (44047) for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 22:44:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from magic-d25.mail.aol.com (magic-d25.mail.aol.com [172.19.146.159]) by cia-dd07.mx.aol.com (v129.9) with ESMTP id MAILCIADD073-ac0f4d70603b354; Thu, 03 Mar 2011 22:44:59 -0500 From: Sky2high@aol.com X-Original-Message-ID: <5fad2.2b2ed660.3aa1ba3b@aol.com> X-Original-Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 22:44:59 EST Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Burned dust cover looking for material that wontburn. X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_5fad2.2b2ed660.3aa1ba3b_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 9.6 sub 130 X-AOL-IP: 24.15.17.119 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: Sky2high@aol.com --part1_5fad2.2b2ed660.3aa1ba3b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en Bill =20 The interior of the canopy can act as a concave reflector so that when the= =20 canopy is tipped open and the sun is somewhat aft of the airplane it can= =20 focus (concentrate) the rays to either a diffuse or sharp focal point. = If=20 the focal point falls on the surface of the glare shield the heat is grea= t=20 enough to create a "burn" spot on the glare shield covering whether it = is=20 leather, fabric or paint. I don't know of any that have actually caught= fire. =20 I have painted mine flat black so there is no night time reflection onto= =20 the canopy. Actually, I use Krylon and have repainted it about 5 times to= =20 cover bubbled paint. =20 It is best to park facing the sun or to otherwise not leave the canopy =20 completely open. =20 Grayhawk =20 In a message dated 3/3/2011 2:38:53 P.M. Central Standard Time, =20 bbradburry@bellsouth.net writes: =20 =20 What is the scenario that causes the dust cover to burn? Why is it only= =20 the dust cover? What are the sun angles, canopy angles, etc that causes= =20 this to happen? What prevents the dust cover from catching on fire and= =20 burning the plane to the ground?=20 I understand that this phenomenon happens, but I don=E2=80=99t understand= anything=20 else about it. Can someone please explain?=20 Bill B=20 =20 =20 ____________________________________ =20 From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of=20 randy snarr Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 9:32 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: Burned dust cover looking for material that wontburn. Gary,=20 I thought of that too. Anything but black reflects in the window. Colors to varying degrees but= =20 foil is too much.. Carbon fiber is the stuff. I have tested it and it will not burn or make= a=20 mark. I am planning to make some patches for the sides of the dust cover like= =20 the elbows on a sport jacket. I plan to glue them down with spray adhesiv= e. =20 I just need a good way to finish the edges so it has a nice clean look. My dust cover is flat black so black carbon fiber may by my answer. Still working on a solution to make it permanent... I will post what I end up doing.. Randy Snarr 235-320 N694RS "Flight by machines heavier than air is unpractical and insignificant, if= =20 not utterly impossible" -Simon Newcomb, 1902 --- On Wed, 3/2/11, Gary Edwards wrote:=20 From: Gary Edwards Subject: [LML] Re: Burned dust cover looking for material that wontburn. To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 5:58 AM=20 =20 =20 =20 How about using a patch of Zetex in the areas prone to burning? =20 =20 Gary =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 =20 From: _randylsnarr@yahoo.com_=20 (mip://07015268/mc/compose?to=3Drandylsnarr@yahoo.com) =20 =20 To: _lml@lancaironline.net_=20 (mip://07015268/mc/compose?to=3Dlml@lancaironline.net) =20 =20 Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 12:19 PM =20 Subject: [LML] Re: Burned dust cover looking for material that wontburn. =20 I have tried to do the same. I really would like a better solution though= .=20 Sooner or later it is going to happen again. i just picked up some cloth= =20 material that will not burn. I will post my findings to the group if it= =20 works. Randy Snarr =20 Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile=20 =20 ____________________________________ =20 =20 From: "Gary Edwards" =20 =20 Sender: "Lancair Mailing List" =20 =20 Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:50:35 -0500 =20 To: =20 ReplyTo: "Lancair Mailing List" =20 =20 Subject: [LML] Re: Burned dust cover looking for material that wont bur= n. =20 =20 =20 My second re-covering of the glare shield lasted about 48 hours without= a=20 burn mark. Got distracted when a TV camera crew walked up with the came= ra=20 rolling (my 15 minutes of fame). So, I said, "screw this". I put an EAA= =20 sticker over the burn marks. It's been there for 9 years. I try to not= =20 park with the sun behind the plane and try to keep the canopy closed. A= bit=20 difficult when I pull the plane out of the hanger and it's facing north= for=20 taxi. =20 =20 Gary Edwards =20 LNC2 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 =20 From: _randy snarr_ (mip://07015268/mc/compose?to=3Drandylsnarr@yahoo.com)= =20 =20 To: _lml@lancaironline.net_=20 (mip://07015268/mc/compose?to=3Dlml@lancaironline.net) =20 =20 Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 8:13 AM =20 Subject: [LML] Burned dust cover looking for material that wont burn. =20 Everyone has seen the burn marks on your dust cover over the instrument= =20 panel from the canopy glass caused by the sun when it hits at the right= =20 angle. Mine was really nice. It was covered in a sinthetic black leather. Anyway= ,=20 I have already recovered it once and tried to be really careful with it.= =20 In short, it has about 20 or so burn marks in it in 2 years.=20 I am looking for a black material (or could be painted black) that will= =20 not burn that is thin that two 8" patches could be made to protect the si= des=20 of the glare shield where the sun is hitting it.=20 Basically I would use an adhesive to glue down these patches where the su= n=20 hits to stop the burn holes... Any ideas? Randy Snarr N694RS 235/320 "Flight by machines heavier than air is unpractical and insignificant, if= =20 not utterly impossible" -Simon Newcomb, 1902 --part1_5fad2.2b2ed660.3aa1ba3b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en <= FONT id=3Drole_document color=3D#000000 size=3D2 face=3DArial>
Bill
 
The interior of the canopy can act as a concave reflector so that whe= n the=20 canopy is tipped open and the sun is somewhat aft of the airplane it can= focus=20 (concentrate) the rays to either a diffuse or sharp focal point.  If= the=20 focal point falls on the surface of the glare shield the heat is great eno= ugh to=20 create a "burn" spot on the glare shield covering whether it=20 is leather, fabric or paint.  I don't know of any that have actu= ally=20 caught fire.
 
I have painted mine flat black so there is no night time reflection= onto=20 the canopy.  Actually, I use Krylon and have repainted it about 5 tim= es to=20 cover bubbled paint.
 
It is best to park facing the sun or to otherwise not leave the canop= y=20 completely open.
 
Grayhawk
 
In a message dated 3/3/2011 2:38:53 P.M. Central Standard Time,=20 bbradburry@bellsouth.net writes:

What is the= scenario=20 that causes the dust cover to burn?  Why is it only the dust cover?=  =20 What are the sun angles, canopy angles, etc that causes this to happen?&= nbsp;=20 What prevents the dust cover from catching on fire and burning the plane= to=20 the ground?

I understand= that=20 this phenomenon happens, but I don=E2=80=99t understand anything else ab= out it. =20 Can someone please explain?

 

Bill=20 B

 

From: Lancair=20 Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of randy snarr
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 9:32=20 PM
To:=20 lml@lancaironline.net
Subjec= t: [LML] Re: Burned dust cover=20 looking for material that wontburn.

 

= Gary,
I=20 thought of that too.
Anything but black reflects in the window.= =20 Colors to varying degrees but foil is too much..

Carbon fib= er is=20 the stuff. I have tested it and it will not burn or make a mark.I am=20 planning to make some patches for the sides of the dust cover like= the=20 elbows on a sport jacket. I plan to glue them down with spray adhe= sive.=20 I just need a good way to finish the edges so it has a nice clean= =20 look.
My dust cover is flat black so black carbon fiber may by= my=20 answer.
Still working on a solution to make it permanent...
= I will=20 post what I end up doing..
Randy=20 Snarr
235-320
N694RS


"Flight by machines heavier than air is=20 unpractical and insignificant, if not utterly=20 impossible"
-Simon Newcomb, 1902

--- On Wed, 3/2/11, Gary Edwards <gary21sn@hotmail.com>=20 wrote:


Fr= om: Gary=20 Edwards <gary21sn@hotmail.com>
Subject: [LML] Re: Burned= dust=20 cover looking for material that wontburn.
To:=20 lml@lancaironline.net
Date: Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 5:58=20 AM

<= SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10p= t">How about=20 using a patch of Zetex in the areas prone to=20 burning?

<= SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10p= t"> 

= Gary

<= SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10p= t">-----=20 Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday,=20 March 01, 2011 12:19 PM

Subject: [LML] Re:=20 Burned dust cover looking for material that=20 wontburn.

 

I have=20 tried to do the same. I really would like a better solution thou= gh.=20 Sooner or later it is going to happen again. i just picked up so= me=20 cloth material that will not burn. I will post my findings to th= e=20 group if it works. Randy Snarr

Sent via= =20 BlackBerry from T-Mobile

From:=20 "Gary=20 Edwards" <gary21sn@hotmail.com>=20

Sender:=20 "Lancair=20 Mailing List" <lml@lancaironline.net>=20

Date:=20 Fri, 25=20 Feb 2011 09:50:35 -0500

To:=20 <lml@lancaironline.net>

ReplyTo:=20 "Lancair=20 Mailing List" <lml@lancaironline.net>=20

Subject:=20 [LML] Re:=20 Burned dust cover looking for material that wont=20 burn.

 

My second=20 re-covering of the glare shield lasted about 48 hours without a= burn=20 mark.  Got distracted when a TV camera crew walked up with= the=20 camera rolling (my 15 minutes of fame).  So, I said, "screw= =20 this".  I put an EAA sticker over the burn marks.  It'= s been=20 there for 9 years.  I try to not park with the sun= behind=20 the plane and try to keep the canopy closed.  A bit difficu= lt=20 when I pull the plane out of the hanger and it's facing north fo= r=20 taxi.

 

Gary=20 Edwards

LNC2

-----=20 Original Message -----

From: randy snarr=20

Sent: Thursday,=20 February 24, 2011 8:13 AM

Subject: [LML]=20 Burned dust cover looking for material that wont=20 burn.

 

Everyone=20 has seen the burn marks on your dust cover over the inst= rument=20 panel from the canopy glass caused by the sun when it hi= ts at=20 the right angle.
Mine was really nice. It was covered= in a=20 sinthetic black leather. Anyway, I have already recovere= d it=20 once and tried to be really careful with it. In short,= it has=20 about 20 or so burn marks in it in 2 years.

I am= =20 looking for a black material (or could be painted black)= that=20 will not burn that is thin that two 8" patches could be= made=20 to protect the sides of the glare shield where the sun= is=20 hitting it.
Basically I would use an adhesive to glu= e down=20 these patches where the sun hits to stop the burn=20 holes...

Any ideas?
Randy=20 Snarr
N694RS
235/320



"Flight by machines heavier= than=20 air is unpractical and insignificant, if not utterly=20 impossible"
-Simon Newcomb,=20 1902

 

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