X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 11:13:02 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imr-ma03.mx.aol.com ([64.12.206.41] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4c2o) with ESMTP id 4880624 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 23:33:48 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.206.41; envelope-from=RWolf99@aol.com Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p1O4XAi2028977; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 23:33:10 -0500 Received: from RWolf99@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id q.c3d.85664862 (45278); Wed, 23 Feb 2011 23:33:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-db02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-db02.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.153]) by cia-mc03.mx.aol.com (v129.9) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMC038-5bcb4d65df7fc7; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 23:33:06 -0500 Received: from webmail-m001 (webmail-m001.sim.aol.com [64.12.101.83]) by smtprly-db02.mx.aol.com (v129.9) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDB022-5bcb4d65df7fc7; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 23:33:03 -0500 X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: Re: Mistake Fixing Advice -- control sticks X-Original-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 23:33:03 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 174.18.250.118 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI Received: from 174.18.250.118 by webmail-m001.sysops.aol.com (64.12.101.83) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 23 Feb 2011 23:33:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: rwolf99@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CDA1F30F4DEDFF_C58_552D9_webmail-m001.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 33222-STANDARD X-Original-Cc: rob@robmurawski.com X-Original-Message-Id: <8CDA1F30F492B3B-C58-2488F@webmail-m001.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: RWolf99@aol.com ----------MB_8CDA1F30F4DEDFF_C58_552D9_webmail-m001.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Rob - I remember doing the same thing in 1994. I drilled the holes EXACTLY wher= e the manual told me to, and then discovered that the crossover weldment= jammed up on the phenolic tabs when I moved the stick forward. (These ar= e the tabs affixed to the aft face of the spar.) All you need to do is sa= nd away the phenolic that's in the way and life is good. You should be ab= le to contact the aft edge of the spar cap, although the control stop at= the horizontal tail will keep this from happening. If I accurately understand what you're saying, and you do what I did to fi= x it, then... 1) You have not compromised the structural integrity of the attachment of= the control stick to the spar. 2) You can get full range of motion of the aileron tube through the cockp= it closeout rib by relieving the hole as required. In fact, I recall atta= ching the aileron tube between the stick and the idler in the gear well an= d gradually enlarging the hole in the closeout rib until full range of mot= ion was attained. In this scenario you have the same sized hole as intend= ed, simply displaced about 1/16 inch (since it's halfway between the stick= and the idler). 3) You should have no problems with binding between the rod end bearing= and the idler. But if you do, add another washer between the bearing and= the idler and use the next longer bolt. =20 4) You have not changed any of the moment arms and therefore the handling= qualities will not have changed. 5) You won't notice that the stick is 1/8 inch lower. Using a bolt through a phenolic block as a hinge pin is bogus anyway, in= my humble opinion. My plan is to use it until it gets sloppy, and if it= ever does, I'll drill it out to maybe 1/2 inch and press a bushing in the= re. It would be even better to press in a rolling element bearing (ball= bearing or needle bearing). But I figure that if it's good enough for al= l those other Lancairs out there it's probably good enough for me... Good luck. Feel free to contact me off list if you have any other questio= ns. - Rob Wolf p.s. Check the retracted landing gear clearance to the closeout rib befor= e you micro it in place. You will find many Lancairs that have a small gl= ass-to-glass patch in the whel well side of the cockpit closeout rib to ke= ep the tire from rubbing. Mine included. I will note that I attached a= spacer to the tire when I glued the rib in place specifically to prevent= this from happening, but it still did. ----------MB_8CDA1F30F4DEDFF_C58_552D9_webmail-m001.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
Rob -
 
I remember doing the same thing in 1994.  I drilled the holes EX= ACTLY where the manual told me to, and then discovered that the crossover= weldment jammed up on the phenolic tabs when I moved the stick forward.&n= bsp; (These are the tabs affixed to the aft face of the spar.)  All= you need to do is sand away the phenolic that's in the way and life is go= od.  You should be able to contact the aft edge of the spar cap, alth= ough the control stop at the horizontal tail will keep this from happening= .
 
If I accurately understand what you're saying, and you do what I did= to fix it, then...
 
1)  You have not compromised the structural integrity of the att= achment of the control stick to the spar.
 
2)  You can get full range of motion of the aileron tube through= the cockpit closeout rib by relieving the hole as required.  In fact= , I recall attaching the aileron tube between the stick and the idler in= the gear well and gradually enlarging the hole in the closeout rib until= full range of motion was attained.  In this scenario you have the sa= me sized hole as intended, simply displaced about 1/16 inch (since it's ha= lfway between the stick and the idler).
 
3)  You should have no problems with binding between the rod end= bearing and the idler.  But if you do, add another washer between th= e bearing and the idler and use the next longer bolt. 
 
4)  You have not changed any of the moment arms and therefore th= e handling qualities will not have changed.
 
5)  You won't notice that the stick is 1/8 inch lower.
 
Using a bolt through a phenolic block as a hinge pin is bogus anyway,= in my humble opinion.  My plan is to use it until it gets sloppy, an= d if it ever does, I'll drill it out to maybe 1/2 inch and press a bushing= in there.  It would be even better to press in a rolling element bea= ring (ball bearing or needle bearing).  But I figure that if it's goo= d enough for all those other Lancairs out there it's probably good enough= for me...
 
Good luck.  Feel free to contact me off list if you have any oth= er questions.
 
- Rob Wolf
 
p.s.  Check the retracted landing gear clearance to the clo= seout rib before you micro it in place.  You will find many Lancairs= that have a small glass-to-glass patch in the whel well side of the cockp= it closeout rib to keep the tire from rubbing.  Mine included. = I will note that I attached a spacer to the tire when I glued the ri= b in place specifically to prevent this from happening, but it still= did.

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