X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 12:22:53 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.66] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4c1) with ESMTP id 4790898 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 23:27:08 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.86.89.66; envelope-from=rtitsworth@mindspring.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=jQ1+A369BtHirj64CtfMyKYC03t7MvBIl3ox26mNMnF90HCWClEFwe7NiOCEaK8r; h=Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:thread-index:X-MimeOLE:In-Reply-To:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [71.227.105.188] (helo=X200) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1PfPcv-0001XJ-SR for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 23:26:34 -0500 From: "Rick Titsworth" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" References: Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Lithium Batteries X-Original-Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 23:26:35 -0500 X-Original-Message-ID: <610C2FD8C10A47AA916A4D3EB3DA65C8@X200> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0056_01CBB767.262C19D0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 thread-index: Acu3fnXIrjFBL5W1R+Cg5kjbvo04SwAEYYkw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 In-Reply-To: X-ELNK-Trace: b17f11247b2ac8f0a79dc4b33984cbaa0a9da525759e2654c8ea18ac7ce5c1fee2a2f3a6cbbc1b01a7ce0e8f8d31aa3f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 71.227.105.188 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01CBB767.262C19D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, but the core issue at hand is the weight per Watthour (VoltAmphr). That's not a re-packing / bulk cost issue. Brent summarized the results correctly (as he always does). The referenced batteries are not really 18Amphr. They are closer to 5 or 6 as the comparison with 2lbs of 12V Dewalt Li-Ion batteries would predict. Even if you needed 3 or 4 of the Li-ion batteries, it's still a good weight savings over traditional lead/acid - just not nearly the 1/10th savings implied. _____ From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Michael McMahon Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 9:13 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: Lithium Batteries Rick, The early "packagers", as opposed to manufacturers, are charging huge markups. It's not too hard to buy cells wholesale and build your own packs. The electric vehicle forums have lots of details. On Jan 18, 2011 8:52 AM, "Rick Titsworth" wrote: > > Hmmm, this would be great (weight reduction), but it seems a bit fishy. > > > > For comparison, a DCB120 12v Dewalt Li-ion hand tool battery is 0.5lbs, $50, and is rated at 1.3 AH > > So, 4 of them would be 2 lbs, $200, and 5.2AH > > > > Since the DeWalt Li-ion are apparently fairly advanced, I don't see how this (below) is ~ 300% better for same cost/weight. > > > > Would love to know more. > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Lorn H Olsen > Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 9:57 AM > To: lml@lancaironline.net > Subject: [LML] Lithium Batteries > > > > As I look for a replacement for my BC100-1 (ODYSSEY PC925) battery, I ran across (suggested by Wolfgang) the following batteries. > > > > http://www.batterystuff.com/batteries/motorcycle/LFX18L1-BS12.html > > > > http://www.shoraipower.com/t-faq.aspx > > > > At only 2.5 lbs (compared to 25 lbs) and a reasonable $181 price these batteries appear to be a real breakthrough. > > > > Does anyone have any practical experience with the lithium batteries? > > > > Lorn > > -- > > Lorn H. 'Feathers' Olsen, MAA, ASMEL, ASES, Comm, Inst > > DynaComm, Corp., 248-345-0500, mailto:lorn@dynacomm.us > > LNC2, FB90/92, O-320-D1F, 1,780 hrs, N31161, Y47, SE Michigan > > ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01CBB767.262C19D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yes, but the core issue at hand is = the weight per Watthour (VoltAmphr).  That’s not a re-packing / = bulk cost issue.

Brent summarized the results = correctly (as he always does).  The referenced batteries are not really = 18Amphr.

They are closer to 5 or 6 as the comparison with 2lbs of 12V Dewalt Li-Ion batteries would = predict.

 

Even if you needed 3 or 4 of the = Li-ion batteries, it’s still a good weight savings over traditional = lead/acid – just not nearly the 1/10th savings = implied.

 

From: = Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Michael McMahon
Sent: Tuesday, January = 18, 2011 9:13 PM
To: = lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: = Lithium Batteries

 

Rick,

The early "packagers", as opposed to manufacturers, are charging huge markups.  It's not too hard to buy cells wholesale and build your = own packs.  The electric vehicle forums have lots of details.
On Jan 18, 2011 8:52 AM, "Rick Titsworth" <rtitsworth@mindspring.com&g= t; wrote:
>
> Hmmm, this would be great (weight reduction), but it seems a bit fishy…
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>  
>
> For comparison, a DCB120 12v Dewalt Li-ion hand tool battery is = 0.5lbs, $50, and is rated at 1.3 AH
>
> So, 4 of them would be 2 lbs, $200, and 5.2AH
>
>  
>
> Since the DeWalt Li-ion are apparently fairly advanced, I = don’t see how this (below) is ~ 300% better for same cost/weight.
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>  
>
> Would love to know more.
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>  
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Lorn H Olsen
> Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 9:57 AM
> To: lml@lancaironline.net
> Subject: [LML] Lithium Batteries
>
>  
>
> As I look for a replacement for my BC100-1 (ODYSSEY = PC925) battery, I ran across (suggested by Wolfgang) the following = batteries.
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>  
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>      http://www.batterystuff.com/batteries/motorcycle/LFX18L1-BS12.html=
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>  
>
>      http://www.shoraipower.com= /t-faq.aspx
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>  
>
> At only 2.5 lbs (compared to 25 lbs) and a reasonable $181 price = these batteries appear to be a real breakthrough.
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>  
>
> Does anyone have any practical experience with the lithium = batteries?
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>  
>
> Lorn
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> --
>
> Lorn H. 'Feathers' Olsen, MAA, ASMEL, ASES, Comm, Inst
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> DynaComm, Corp., 248-345-0500, mailto:lorn@dynacomm.us
>
> LNC2, FB90/92, O-320-D1F, 1,780 hrs, N31161, Y47, SE Michigan
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>  

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