X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 12:22:53 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([71.74.56.125] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4c1) with ESMTP id 4791395 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 10:28:34 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=71.74.56.125; envelope-from=Wolfgang@MiCom.net X-Original-Return-Path: X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=+c36koQ5Dcj/1qolKHjtkYAGXvrVJRRiKMp+84F5sLg= c=1 sm=0 a=MHZY6FYWMEQOp7S43i2QIw==:17 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=fLuM78UsAAAA:8 a=5Up8faWwAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=GY-ZmK2GoXPW6lzWP5QA:9 a=ecYzdylrcUNStIeE_4MA:7 a=9UceAdigZkYsUd0mLMnYvmLR8ucA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=CVU0O5Kb7MsA:10 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=3jk_M6PjnjYA:10 a=v6MMM96S_sUA:10 a=cF8G1dzznyJO6hlR:21 a=21fhxAYtC3NRMrVj:21 a=aWTKsRj8hNstA8KIF6sA:9 a=5RkU3VZtDXcDNQRL-b0A:7 a=AuUeSKIxft8PPUcdW-KxUuTazdUA:4 a=4gTE-jKg28KBg_yy:21 a=KBTk3DqksrutmpBg:21 a=MHZY6FYWMEQOp7S43i2QIw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 74.218.201.50 Received: from [74.218.201.50] ([74.218.201.50:1096] helo=Lobo) by hrndva-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id D1/B8-24070-DF2073D4; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 15:27:57 +0000 X-Original-Message-ID: <007f01cbb7ed$70ff1ad0$6401a8c0@Lobo> From: "Wolfgang" X-Original-To: Subject: Fw: Airport security? X-Original-Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 10:27:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007C_01CBB7C3.87E8AE70" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007C_01CBB7C3.87E8AE70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There has been a long standing effort to get people involved in airport = security, airport watch etc. So . . . in answer to your questions . . . yes. Wolfgang ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jim Nordin=20 To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 10:11 AM Subject: Airport security? Interesting observations and questions.=20 My question is: by keeping vehicles from entering after you, are you the = police now? Are you expected to enforce a regulation, law, what ever? Is = that responsibility passed on to you because you rent space? Our airport = does the same thing and has for a long time. I think it's to placate a = local congress person. Jim -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of = marv@lancair.net Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 8:50 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Airport security? Posted for "Douglas Brunner" : =20 Yesterday (1/14), I headed out to my airport (KMTN) to do some work on = my plane. Recently, my airport has installed a sliding gate with a code = to control entry. =20 On my way in, I observed the car in front of me stop at the keypad, = spend some time sitting there and then drive away from the entry. My = inference was that they did not know the access code to the airport. I pulled up = to the gate, punched in the access code and pulled through the gate. I = stopped on the other side of the gate, to limit entry to one car. The car = which had been in front of me (and had failed to gain entry) then tried to pull = around me and go through the gate while it was still open. I moved my car = slightly to block their entry figuring that if they didn't know the code, they shouldn't be coming in with me. =20 Well it turned out that the two men in the car, were actually police officers, and they did not take kindly to my blocking their entrance. = In essence they "copped an attitude" (pun intended) and gave me a hard = time about blocking them. After a few unkind words were exchanged, we both = went on our ways. =20 Normally, I am not a huge fan of the (pseudo) security procedures at airports. And perhaps from time to time, I have been known to let = someone follow me in through the security gate, or to follow others in. However = in this case, it appeared to me that they had demonstrated that they did = not know the code so I treated them (not knowing they were cops) = differently. =20 Several questions/observations: =20 Since the number of terrorist incidents attributable to GA aircraft = both prior to and after instituting these security precaution is ZERO, is it logical to infer that the procedures have been a success??? =20 Since the police appear to regard the security precautions as optional should these security precautions should be observed religiously by = non- law enforcement types??? =20 Has the amount of time and money spent on airport security post 9/11, = (which probably exceeds the GDP of some African and Latin American countries) = been well spent??? =20 Or are these security precautions are an expensive charade designed to persuade gullible people that the government is making them safer??? =20 -- For archives and unsub = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- No virus found in this message. 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There has been a long standing effort = to get people=20 involved in airport security, airport watch etc.
So . . . in answer to your questions . = . .=20 yes.
 
Wolfgang
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Jim=20 Nordin
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 10:11 AM
Subject: Airport security?

Interesting = observations=20 and questions.
My question is: by keeping vehicles from entering = after you,=20 are you the police now? Are you expected to enforce a regulation, law, = what=20 ever? Is that responsibility passed on to you because you rent space? = Our=20 airport does the same thing and has for a long time. I think it=92s to = placate a=20 local congress person.

Jim

 

From: Lancair=20 Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of = marv@lancair.net
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 = 8:50=20 AM
To:=20 lml@lancaironline.net
Subject:=20 [LML] Airport security?

 

Posted for "Douglas = Brunner"=20 <douglasbrunner@earthlink.net>:

 
 Yesterday = (1/14), I=20 headed out to my airport (KMTN) to do some work on=20 my
 plane.  Recently, my airport has installed a = sliding gate=20 with a code to
 control entry.
 
 On my way in, = I=20 observed the car in front of me stop at the keypad, spend
 some = time=20 sitting there and then drive away from the entry.  My=20 inference
 was that they did not know the access code to the=20 airport.  I pulled up to
 the gate, punched in the = access code=20 and pulled through the gate.  I stopped
 on the other = side of=20 the gate, to limit entry to one car.  The car which = had
 been=20 in front of me (and had failed to gain entry) then tried to pull=20 around
 me and go through the gate while it was still = open.  I=20 moved my car slightly
 to block their entry figuring that if = they didn't=20 know the code, they
 shouldn't be coming in with=20 me.
 
 Well it turned out that the two men in the car, = were=20 actually police
 officers, and they did not take kindly to my = blocking=20 their entrance.  In
 essence they "copped an attitude" = (pun=20 intended) and gave me a hard time
 about blocking = them.  After=20 a few unkind words were exchanged, we both went
 on our = ways.
 =20
 Normally, I am not a huge fan of the (pseudo) security = procedures=20 at
 airports.  And perhaps from time to time, I have = been=20 known to let someone
 follow me in through the security gate, or = to=20 follow others in. However in
 this case, it appeared to me that = they had=20 demonstrated that they did not
 know the code so I treated them = (not=20 knowing they were cops) differently.
 
 Several=20 questions/observations:
 
 Since the number of terrorist = incidents attributable to GA aircraft both
 prior to and after=20 instituting these security precaution is ZERO, is it
 logical to = infer=20 that the procedures have been a success???
 
 Since the = police=20 appear to regard the security precautions as optional
 should = these=20 security precautions should be observed religiously by non-=20 law
 enforcement types???
 
 Has the amount of = time and=20 money spent on airport security post 9/11, (which
 probably = exceeds the=20 GDP of some African and Latin American countries) been
 well=20 spent???
 
 Or are these security precautions are an = expensive=20 charade designed to
 persuade gullible people that the = government is=20 making them safer???
 

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