X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2010 07:40:02 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mail-gy0-f180.google.com ([209.85.160.180] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.10) with ESMTP id 4620092; Sat, 04 Dec 2010 12:00:32 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.160.180; envelope-from=mehapgood@gmail.com Received: by gyd5 with SMTP id 5so7468058gyd.25 for ; Sat, 04 Dec 2010 08:59:57 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from :subject:date:to; b=G1CFN3HMCDhkeg6IL9nMCRZmBjTu9+MVcPn8XXtdfGv4lURvSZmbTYLsxBKR8hrafI hMvJ30CGgdb2VnmpZuOiBxeSjYOhNHaUA5gA23TnXdk+hdm8C6mW9Ox4W0JybcyjBsYO HjBYMCqUM24LMLfJyBd52btgi9Wb0BQFCcd5o= Received: by 10.150.11.6 with SMTP id 6mr5986505ybk.221.1291481997780; Sat, 04 Dec 2010 08:59:57 -0800 (PST) X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [192.168.2.14] (adsl-074-245-088-117.sip.rmo.bellsouth.net [74.245.88.117]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x42sm1871632yhc.18.2010.12.04.08.59.55 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 04 Dec 2010 08:59:56 -0800 (PST) X-Original-Sender: Matt Hapgood References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPad Mail 8C148) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-11--357818321 X-Original-Message-Id: <975586D2-8B96-446D-A53B-DFA548503141@alumni.duke.edu> X-Original-Cc: "lml@lancaironline.net" X-Mailer: iPad Mail (8C148) From: Matt Hapgood Subject: Re: [LML] Re: lancair 360 training and retrofitting right side rudder X-Original-Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 11:59:51 -0500 X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List --Apple-Mail-11--357818321 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I think rudder pedals on the right are not that important. Putting them in i= s a pain, and they cost weight and rob leg room. Plenty of folks are flying= these planes without them and are very happy. You may want to find someone with a plane with right side pedals that will t= rain you. That said, my "initial" instructor was perfectly willing to train= me (left seat) when he was on the right with no rudder pedals. And I was a= 110 hour pilot with nothing but Cherokee time. Be smart though, and be safe. Err on the side of conservatism. Matt On Dec 4, 2010, at 7:59 AM, Craig Gainza wrote: > Wayne and Bryan, >=20 > Wow! Every so often I see an accident waiting to happen and this certainl= y qualifies. Let me get this straight: >=20 > 1) You are a low time C172 pilot. > 2) Sounds like you expect to have someone train you in your 360 without r= udder pedals on the copilot side. > 3) Bryan had a good experience with a friend, but that says nothing about= you getting up to speed in your airplane. That is what matters most. >=20 > Wayne, please put the rudder pedals in and follow HPAT's advice. >=20 > Craig Gainza >=20 > To: lml@lancaironline.net > Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 19:55:54 -0500 > From: vonjet@gmail.com > Subject: [LML] Re: lancair 360 training and retrofitting right side rudder= >=20 > Wayne, > You don't need HPAT to fly off the 25 hours. You can hire any test pilot y= ou feel is competent to do the flights in your airplane. Make sure you insur= ance company will approve him as well. I had a friend of mine do the first f= light and all the fly off in my plane. He doesn't work for HPAT and is not a= n instructor but he does have about 900 hrs in the 360 series. My insurance w= as fine with him and so was I.=20 >=20 > Putting in rudder pedals on the copilot side might be a lot of work after y= ou the fact. If your still building put them in NOW> >=20 > Bryan >=20 > On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 1:16 PM, wayne tassin wrote:= > As a low time 172 pilot I have looked at hpat for training in my 360 which= I hope will be finished by early summer of 2011. > Geees was I shocked. First, no way would I attempt to do the maiden voyage= or fly the 25hrs of restriction time with my > experiance which brings me to hpat. Second, the hpat rep tells me he has t= o train me in my airplane which is not complete > and he has to have rudder pedals on the right side which I did not install= . > =20 > So what it looks like is I will need hpat to fly the 25hrs off and retrofi= t the right side pedals which look to be all but impossible > and then train me.Please give me your thoughts or ideas on this situation.= > =20 > = Thanks, Wayne Tassin >=20 --Apple-Mail-11--357818321 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
I think rudder pedals on the right are n= ot that important.  Putting them in is a pain, and they cost weight and= rob leg room.  Plenty of folks are flying these planes without them an= d are very happy.

You may want to find someone with= a plane with right side pedals that will train you.  That said, my "in= itial" instructor was perfectly willing to train me (left seat) when he was o= n the right with no rudder pedals.  And I was a 110 hour pilot with not= hing but Cherokee time.

Be smart though, and be saf= e.  Err on the side of conservatism.

Matt

O= n Dec 4, 2010, at 7:59 AM, Craig Gainza <cgainza@msn.com> wrote:

Wayne and Bryan,

Wow!  Every so often I see an accident waiting t= o happen and this certainly qualifies.  Let me get this straight:
1)  You are a low time C172 pilot.
2)  Sounds like you expect= to have someone train you in your 360 without rudder pedals on the copilot s= ide.
3)  Bryan had a good experience with a friend, but that says no= thing about you getting up to speed in your airplane.  That is w= hat matters most.

Wayne, please put the rudder pedals in and follow H= PAT's advice.

Craig Gainza

To: l= ml@lancaironline.net
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 19:55:54 -0500
From:= von= jet@gmail.com
Subject: [LML] Re: lancair 360 training and retrofi= tting right side rudder

Wayne,
You don't need HPAT to fly off the= 25 hours. You can hire any test pilot you feel is competent to do the fligh= ts in your airplane. Make sure you insurance company will approve him as wel= l.  I had a friend of mine do the first flight and all the fly off in m= y plane. He doesn't work for HPAT and is not an instructor but he does have a= bout 900 hrs in the 360 series. My insurance was fine with him and so was I.=  

Putting in rudder pedals on the copilot side might be a l= ot of work after you the fact. If your still building put them in NOW>

Bryan

On Tue, No= v 30, 2010 at 1:16 PM, wayne tassin <wtassin@hotmail.= com> wrote:
As a low time 172 pilot I have looked at hpat for training in my 360 which I= hope will be finished by early summer of 2011.
Geees was I shocked. First, no way would I attempt to do the maiden voyage o= r fly the 25hrs of restriction time with my
experiance which brings me to hpat. Second, the hpat rep tells me he has to t= rain me in my airplane which is not complete
and he has to have rudder pedals on the right side which I did not install.<= br>  
So what it looks like is I will need hpat to fly the 25hrs off and retrofit t= he right side pedals which look to be all but impossible
and then train me.Please give me your thoughts or ideas on this situation.  
            &nbs= p;            &n= bsp;            =             &nbs= p;            &n= bsp;            =             &nbs= p;         Thanks, Wayne Tassin
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