X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2010 07:59:44 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from blu0-omc3-s33.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.108] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.10) with ESMTP id 4599287 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 02 Dec 2010 00:04:55 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=65.55.116.108; envelope-from=cgainza@msn.com Received: from BLU139-W20 ([65.55.116.74]) by blu0-omc3-s33.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 1 Dec 2010 21:04:19 -0800 X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: cgainza@msn.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_e62d0c45-a154-491d-9049-7846f01711da_" X-Originating-IP: [24.5.212.73] From: Craig Gainza X-Original-To: list lancair Subject: RE: [LML] Re: lancair 360 training and retrofitting right side rudder X-Original-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 21:04:18 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Dec 2010 05:04:19.0165 (UTC) FILETIME=[601FB8D0:01CB91DE] --_e62d0c45-a154-491d-9049-7846f01711da_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wayne and Bryan=2C Wow! Every so often I see an accident waiting to happen and this certainly= qualifies. Let me get this straight: 1) You are a low time C172 pilot. 2) Sounds like you expect to have someone train you in your 360 without ru= dder pedals on the copilot side. 3) Bryan had a good experience with a friend=2C but that says nothing abou= t you getting up to speed in your airplane. That is what matters most. Wayne=2C please put the rudder pedals in and follow HPAT's advice. Craig Gainza To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed=2C 1 Dec 2010 19:55:54 -0500 From: vonjet@gmail.com Subject: [LML] Re: lancair 360 training and retrofitting right side rudder Wayne=2CYou don't need HPAT to fly off the 25 hours. You can hire any test = pilot you feel is competent to do the flights in your airplane. Make sure y= ou insurance company will approve him as well. I had a friend of mine do t= he first flight and all the fly off in my plane. He doesn't work for HPAT a= nd is not an instructor but he does have about 900 hrs in the 360 series. M= y insurance was fine with him and so was I.=20 Putting in rudder pedals on the copilot side might be a lot of work after y= ou the fact. If your still building put them in NOW> Bryan On Tue=2C Nov 30=2C 2010 at 1:16 PM=2C wayne tassin w= rote: As a low time 172 pilot I have looked at hpat for training in my 360 which = I hope will be finished by early summer of 2011. Geees was I shocked. First=2C no way would I attempt to do the maiden voyag= e or fly the 25hrs of restriction time with my experiance which brings me to hpat. Second=2C the hpat rep tells me he has = to train me in my airplane which is not complete and he has to have rudder pedals on the right side which I did not install. =20 So what it looks like is I will need hpat to fly the 25hrs off and retrofit= the right side pedals which look to be all but impossible and then train me.Please give me your thoughts or ideas on this situation. =20 = Thanks=2C Wayne Tassin =20 = --_e62d0c45-a154-491d-9049-7846f01711da_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wayne and Bryan=2C

Wow! =3B Every so often I see an accident wai= ting to happen and this certainly qualifies. =3B Let me get this straig= ht:

1) =3B You are a low time C172 pilot.
2) =3B Sounds l= ike you expect to have someone train you in your 360 without rudder pedals = on the copilot side.
3) =3B Bryan had a good experience with a frien= d=2C but that says nothing about you getting up to speed in your air= plane. =3B That is what matters most.

Wayne=2C please put the ru= dder pedals in and follow HPAT's advice.

Craig Gainza

To: lml@lancaironline.net
Date: Wed=2C 1 Dec 2010 19:5= 5:54 -0500
From: vonjet@gmail.com
Subject: [LML] Re: lancair 360 trai= ning and retrofitting right side rudder

Wayne=2C

You don't need = HPAT to fly off the 25 hours. You can hire any test pilot you feel is compe= tent to do the flights in your airplane. Make sure you insurance company wi= ll approve him as well. =3BI had a friend of mine do the first flight = and all the fly off in my plane. He doesn't work for HPAT and is not an ins= tructor but he does have about 900 hrs in the 360 series. My insurance was = fine with him and so was I. =3B

Putting in rudder pedals on the copilot side might be a= lot of work after you the fact. If your still building put them in NOW>= =3B

Bryan

On = Tue=2C Nov 30=2C 2010 at 1:16 PM=2C wayne tassin <=3Bwtassin@hotmail.com>=3B w= rote:

As a low time 172 pilot I have looked at hpat for training in my 360 which = I hope will be finished by early summer of 2011.
Geees was I shocked. First=2C no way would I attempt to do the maiden voyag= e or fly the 25hrs of restriction time with my
experiance which brings me to hpat. Second=2C the hpat rep tells me he has = to train me in my airplane which is not complete
and he has to have rudder pedals on the right side which I did not install.=
=3B
So what it looks like is I will need hpat to fly the 25hrs off and retrofit= the right side pedals which look to be all but impossible
and then train me.Please give me your thoughts or ideas on this situation.<= br> =3B
=3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B&nb= sp=3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B = =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B= =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B&nb= sp=3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B = =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B= =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B&nb= sp=3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B = =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B= =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B&nb= sp=3B =3B =3B =3B Thanks=2C Wayne Tassin

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