Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #56844
From: Brent Regan <brent@regandesigns.com>
Sender: <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: Inquiry: Critical Turbo Altitude (LIVP) with TSIO550E?
Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2010 07:59:44 -0500
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
Colyn writes:
<<<< say more about the turbo stall issue? >>>>>

You will have to pardon my sloppy vernacular. Supercharged or supercharging is the general case where there is some kind of compressor ahead of the intake valve. Turbo supercharging is the specific case of the turbine driven centrifugal compressor. TSIO = Turbo Supercharged Injected Opposed

When I wrote to "turbo stall" I should have said Turbocharger Compressor Stall. Compressor stall happens when the mass flow / pressure ratio is too high for for a given shaft speed (high boost at high altitude). One of the things that controls shaft speed is the A/R ratio (Discharge Area over Radius to the centroid) of the Compressor, where the higher the A/R the slower the speed.

When I designed the Lycoming installation I hired a retired Garrett engineer, Paul Uitti, as a consultant to make specific component selection recommendations. Paul had designed the TIO540-AE2A turbo system for the Malibu Mirage. His turbo recommendation was for the T04 with a compressor A/R of 0.50 and a M13 A/R 0.58 on the turbine.  This, combined with running higher compression pistons (8.7:1) and low maximum MAP of 35" kept me on the right side of the surge line.

Paul was the one that told me that the original TSIO550 had evolved from a turbo normalized 520 and that the compressor selection was marginal so to limit the pressure ratio of the compressor they limited the pressure drop across the turbine with a restrictor. Remember that the turbine and the compressor share a shaft and so their torque must match and the mass flow doesn't change (except for the addition of a little fuel).

One other observation. A few hundred hours ago I put insulating wrap on the crossover tube that balances exhaust manifold pressure by allowing exhaust flow from the left bank to the right bank, where the wastegate is located. At the 1,000 hour inspection I was disturbed to see that the crossover tube had significant thermal deterioration.  This indicated lots of flow at high temperature. This also indicated that there was plenty of reserve turbocharger "margin" as the wastegate had to be open at high power settings.

I resolved the crossover damage issue by fabricating a new tube and making a radiant shield that would allow airflow over the tube. Moral of the story, don't wrap your headers.

I hope this clarifies things.

Regards
Brent Regan
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