X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 16:16:03 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imr-ma03.mx.aol.com ([64.12.206.41] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.10) with ESMTP id 4596210 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 29 Nov 2010 15:46:49 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.206.41; envelope-from=Sky2high@aol.com Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id oATKjeFJ005314 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2010 15:45:40 -0500 Received: from Sky2high@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id q.e30.afc7d1b (55731) for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2010 15:45:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from magic-d21.mail.aol.com (magic-d21.mail.aol.com [172.19.155.137]) by cia-md03.mx.aol.com (v129.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMD036-d9b34cf410e532; Mon, 29 Nov 2010 15:45:25 -0500 From: Sky2high@aol.com X-Original-Message-ID: <6bf33.6bf207a0.3a256ae5@aol.com> X-Original-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 15:45:25 EST Subject: Re: [LML] 178 seconds to live X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_6bf33.6bf207a0.3a256ae5_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 9.5 sub 5400 X-AOL-IP: 24.15.17.119 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: Sky2high@aol.com --part1_6bf33.6bf207a0.3a256ae5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ron, It is an old study........ Now either you would have no problem because you are flying with virtual VFR, GPS WAAS, Terrain mapping fuselage chute and other goodies so that you need not even look out the window OR you will die in a lot less than 178 seconds because you ran into cell towers or windmills. Times have changed. Grayhawk In a message dated 11/29/2010 1:51:08 P.M. Central Standard Time, cfi@instructor.net writes: This study was done a long time ago, but still applicable today. Just something to think about. Get an instrument rating, and keep current even if you don't ever plan to fly in actual IFR conditions. If you are uncomfortable in flying in actual IFR conditions, get with an instructor who will go with you and get some actual instrument time. It's a LOT different than always flying with the foggles on. Ron 178 Seconds To Live Words to Live By How long can a pilot who has little or no instrument training expect to live after he flies into bad weather and loses visual contact? Researchers at the University of Illinois did some tests and came up with some very interesting data. Twenty student "guinea pigs" flew into simulated instrument weather, and all went into graveyard spirals or rollercoasters [a tribute to the U of I flight training program??]. The outcome differed in only one respect - the time required till control was lost. The interval ranged from 480 seconds to 20 seconds. The average time was 178 seconds* -- two seconds short of three minutes. Here's the fatal scenario. . . . . . . The sky is overcast and the visibility is poor. That reported five mile visibility looks more like two, and you can't judge the height of the overcast. Your altimeter tells you that you are at 1500 feet but your map tells you that there's local terrain as high as 1200 feet. There might be a tower nearby because you're not sure how far off course you are. But you've flown into worse weather than this, so press on. You find yourself unconsciously easing back just a bit on the controls to clear those towers. With no warning, you're in the soup. You peer so hard into the milky white mist that your eyes hurt. You fight the feeling in your stomach. You try to swallow, only to find your mouth dry. Now you realize you should have waited for better weather. The appointment was important, but not all that important. Somewhere a voice is saying, "You've had it -- it's all over!" You now have 178 seconds to live. Your aircraft feels on even keel but your compass turns slowly. You push a little rudder and add a little pressure on the controls to stop the turn but this feels unnatural and you return the controls to their original position. This feels better but now your compass is turning a little faster and your airspeed is increasing slightly. You scan your instruments for help but what you see looks somewhat unfamiliar. You're sure that this is just a bad spot. You'll break out in a few minutes. (But you don't have a few minutes left.) You now have 100 seconds to live. You glance at your altimeter and you are shocked to see it unwinding. You're already down to 1200 feet. Instinctively, you pull back on the controls but the altimeter still unwinds. The engine is into the red and the airspeed, nearly so. You have 45 seconds to live. Now you're sweating and shaking. There must be something wrong with the controls; pulling back only moves the airspeed indicator further into the red. You can hear the wind tearing at the aircraft. You are about to meet your Maker; you have 10 seconds to live. Suddenly you see the ground. The trees rush up at you. You can see the horizon if you turn your head far enough but it's at a weird angle -- you're almost inverted. You open your mouth to scream but. . . . . . . . . .you just ran our of seconds. Think about it before you press on into marginal weather. __._,_.___ -- For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html --part1_6bf33.6bf207a0.3a256ae5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ron,
 
It is an old study........ Now either you would have no problem becau= se you=20 are flying with virtual VFR, GPS WAAS, Terrain mapping fuselage chute = ;and=20 other goodies so that you need not even look out the window OR you will di= e in a=20 lot less than 178 seconds because you ran into cell towers or=20 windmills.   
 
Times have changed.
 
Grayhawk
 
In a message dated 11/29/2010 1:51:08 P.M. Central Standard Time,=20 cfi@instructor.net writes:
This=20 study was done a long time ago, but still applicable today.  = Just=20
something to think about.    Get an instrument rating, and= keep=20 current
even if you don't ever plan to fly in actual IFR conditions.=  =20 If you
are uncomfortable in flying in actual IFR conditions, get wit= h an=20
instructor who will go with you and get some actual instrument time.=  =20
It's a LOT different than always flying with the foggles=20 on.
Ron


178 Seconds To Live

Words to Live By
How=20 long can a pilot who has little or no instrument training expect to
= live=20 after he flies into bad weather and loses visual contact?
Researcher= s at=20 the University of Illinois did some tests and came up
with some very= =20 interesting data. Twenty student "guinea pigs" flew into
simulated= =20 instrument weather, and all went into graveyard spirals or
rollercoa= sters=20 [a tribute to the U of I flight training program??]. The
outcome dif= fered=20 in only one respect - the time required till control
was lost. The= =20 interval ranged from 480 seconds to 20 seconds. The
average time was= 178=20 seconds* -- two seconds short of three minutes.

Here's the fatal= =20 scenario. . . . . . .

The sky is overcast and the visibility is= poor.=20 That reported five mile
visibility looks more like two, and you can'= t=20 judge the height of the
overcast. Your altimeter tells you that you= are at=20 1500 feet but your
map tells you that there's local terrain as high= as=20 1200 feet. There
might be a tower nearby because you're not sure how= far=20 off course you
are. But you've flown into worse weather than this,= so=20 press on.

You find yourself unconsciously easing back just a bit= on the=20 controls
to clear those towers. With no warning, you're in the soup.= You=20 peer so
hard into the milky white mist that your eyes hurt. You figh= t the=20
feeling in your stomach. You try to swallow, only to find your mouth= =20
dry. Now you realize you should have waited for better weather. The= =20
appointment was important, but not all that important. Somewhere a= =20
voice is saying, "You've had it -- it's all over!"

You now ha= ve 178=20 seconds to live.


Your aircraft feels on even keel but your co= mpass=20 turns slowly. You
push a little rudder and add a little pressure on= the=20 controls to stop
the turn but this feels unnatural and you return th= e=20 controls to their
original position. This feels better but now your= =20 compass is turning a
little faster and your airspeed is increasing= =20 slightly. You scan your
instruments for help but what you see looks= =20 somewhat unfamiliar. You're
sure that this is just a bad spot. You'l= l=20 break out in a few minutes.
(But you don't have a few minutes=20 left.)

You now have 100 seconds to live.

You glance at you= r=20 altimeter and you are shocked to see it unwinding.
You're already do= wn to=20 1200 feet. Instinctively, you pull back on the
controls but the alti= meter=20 still unwinds. The engine is into the red
and the airspeed, nearly= =20 so.

You have 45 seconds to live.

Now you're sweating and= =20 shaking. There must be something wrong with the
controls; pulling ba= ck=20 only moves the airspeed indicator further into
the red. You can hear= the=20 wind tearing at the aircraft.

You are about to meet your Maker;= you=20 have 10 seconds to live. Suddenly
you see the ground. The trees rush= up at=20 you. You can see the horizon
if you turn your head far enough but it= 's at=20 a weird angle -- you're
almost inverted. You open your mouth to scre= am=20 but. . . . . .

. . . .you just ran our of seconds.

Think= about=20 it before you press on into marginal=20 weather.

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