Yes, generally a turbo stall is a compressor
stall.
Effectively, the condition is that the
compressor blades stall aerodynamically similar to an airplane wing at high
angle of attack.
This occurs when the pressure differential
across the compressor is too large and/or the airflow through the compressor is
too slow (relative to the design of the compressor) – which essentially
creates a high relative angle of attack between the fast moving angled compressor
blades and the slow moving air. Note the compressor blades are
effectively airfoils (even in a circumferential compressor as in our tubro’s).
This can be caused by relatively high compressor
back pressure and/or low availability of inlet air (often a combination of
both). For example: rapidly closing the throttle at high altitude, before
the controller/waste gate has the opportunity to react and/or the momentum of
the turbo to slow down. Upper deck pressure builds and flow through the
compressor slows. If the upper deck pressure is high enough the pop-off
value will release, but the compressor can stall at an upper deck pressure
below this if the flow is slow enough. The sonic nozzles on a typical IVP
setup tend to help alleviate this, by creating another outlet for the upper
deck pressure, and by keeping some flow moving, which reduces the demands on
the responsiveness required from the controller/waste/gate and overall turbo
system.
Note, a “normal” turbo
compressor is not designed to be able to maintain much of a pressure differential
without air flow – the turbo compressor is an open blade system which is
the opposite of a roots type blower (supercharger), which has sealed rotors.
The Turbo compressor isn’t effective at just “beating” the
air, rather it is designed to “move” the air. The closer the
speed of the air is matched to the speed/angle of the compressor blades, the lower
the relative angle of attack between them. When the air slows down, the
relative angle increases, until the flow separates and the compressor stalls.
When the compressor stalls, the relative
high pressure upper deck (outlet) air momentarily flows backwards through the
compressor and goes out of the inlet, (even tough the blades are still spinning
fwd), which lowers the pressure differential across the compressor and creates
an opportunity for the compressor to start pumping/moving air again (which it’s
otherwise inclined to do whenever it’s spinning). The stall (momentary/explosive
backflow) is generally bad for the compressor (high stress on blades, shaft,
etc), and the entire intake system.
Compressors can be designed to
minimize/avoid this, but at the expense of overall performance/efficiency (no
free lunch). The common engineering design/specification document for a
compressor is called a compressor map (ref http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compressor_map
- this link is oriented to axial gas turbines, but the core concepts are the
same). A compressor map diagram depicts the relationship between flow and
pressure differential for a given compressor design. Normal operation is
conducted/charted below (and to the left of) the surge/stall line running diagonally
from lower left to upper right. Above the surge (stall) line is where the
flow breaks down and compressor stalls (combination of too much pressure/too
little flow for the given design).
A compressor stall can lead to an enriching
of the mixture, due a sudden loss/reduction of upper deck pressure and flow.
The compressor stall itself can sound like
backfiring. The momentary/explosive backflow through the still spinning compressor
can/will make a “bang”, like the sudden outflow from popping a party
balloon.
Google on if you want to know more.
From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Colyn Case
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2010
3:44 PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: Inquiry:
Critical Turbo Altitude (LIVP) with TSIO550E?
Brent,
say more about the turbo stall issue?
Is it the turbine that stalls or the compressor? I'm assuming
the latter.
I swapped my compressors out for the larger ones (I think they are the
stock Malibu
ones) keeping the same turbines.
Does that represent the "right turbos" solution?
I also cut out the restrictor on the co-pilot side because I couldn't
get anyone to say what it was for.
What are the symptoms of "turbo stall".
Would that by any chance cause the Fuel/Air ratio to go rich and cause
backfiring?