Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #56810
From: Gary Casey <casey.gary@yahoo.com>
Sender: <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: Critical Turbo Altitude (LIVP) with TSIO550E?
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 14:50:17 -0500
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
I've been reading this thread with interest - and difficulty.  For some reason
only emails from this mail list (I'm in the digest mode) have been coming
through garbled.  My son the IT expert says it is being sent as http instead of
text, but why only from this source and why only since a few days ago?

Anyway, something Brent said got me to thinking.  He said the compressor inlet
pressure drop had a significant effect on the critical altitude, especially the
air filter pressure drop.  So I went through some calculations.  A typical air
filter drop at sea level might be 4 inches of water (makes my math easier :-),
or 1% of an atmosphere.  As you go up in altitude the inlet density drops, but
at the same power the mass air flow remains roughly the same.  With turbulent
flow through an orifice (the air filter) it turns out that the pressure drop is
inversely proportional to the density.  The density at the altitudes we're
talking about might be 1/3 that at sea level.  So the pressure drop is 3 TIMES
the seal level pressure drop.  The compressor operates at a given pressure RATIO
at critical altitude (waste gate closed) - in this case the pressure ratio is
about 3:1.  Bottom line?  Instead of a 1% power reduction at sea level, the same
air filter would create a 9% reduction at altitudes over 25K.  Which says that
anything you can do to reduce the compressor inlet restriction will make a big
difference in critical altitude.  The same argument can be made for exhaust
restriction after the turbine, but this is less of an issue because the exhaust
restriction is already very low.

Other considerations:  If the divergent geometry of the compressor discharge
could be extended past the compressor, more pressure recovery could be realized.
 The same is true of a divergent section after the turbine.  Often the flow
"refinements" in a turbo design are neglected, as I suppose the idea is that as
long as boost can be maintained by closing the wastegate there is no problem.
 In reality, any flow improvements can make a big difference, mostly in lower
engine inlet temperatures, lower exhaust back pressure, and yes, higher critical
altitude.  At "normal" altitudes these improvements will result in more power
for a given fuel flow.

Gary Casey


From:
"Rick Titsworth" <rtitsworth@mindspring.com>
To:
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