X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2010 12:58:49 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.120] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.9) with ESMTP id 4488860 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 01 Oct 2010 08:10:54 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=75.180.132.120; envelope-from=super_chipmunk@roadrunner.com X-Original-Return-Path: X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=GJSIucnNExcGuI2Ikz3ZPUhf4y9MWjZDuW5FdbHj3UY= c=1 sm=0 a=fWM9ckW6zHoA:10 a=I8zE26c0Y9d50tWaRzAbIg==:17 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=5Up8faWwAAAA:8 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=Svx9bQREAAAA:8 a=8YIn-GGU06DqjxStYGkA:9 a=WSc67eIyenmrhys4VjAA:7 a=89IB9mjv3RQ0Z9ByyRzHrhm36iQA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=v6MMM96S_sUA:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=d3YC_b0NtH4YpAXc:21 a=sHK9WHq4e7G6_P6f:21 a=zvlqnNpi2ygSDfzLAewA:9 a=35NUgtet5bQAG8zaHtUA:7 a=rDBpX8A3XN57qkYyxL7bdXq3drcA:4 a=2NmYEUoXTgCcKUsb:21 a=C5UVOX4-bSOPck6U:21 a=I8zE26c0Y9d50tWaRzAbIg==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 74.65.190.246 Received: from [74.65.190.246] ([74.65.190.246:53441] helo=Laptop) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id 94/0E-07415-AAFC5AC4; Fri, 01 Oct 2010 12:10:18 +0000 X-Original-Message-ID: From: "Bill Wade" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Thunder Mustang Crash at Reno X-Original-Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 08:00:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_083B_01CB613E.BBA5E830" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18263 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_083B_01CB613E.BBA5E830 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lowe's sells a handle that can hold hacksaw blades for around $10. = Ignore the sawblades that come with it and get and one or two pointed = reciprocating saw (sawzall) blades with carbide grit (Remgrit). The = carbide grit is able to start a hole in solid carbon layups. A regular = hacksaw blade won't touch it- I experimented. Once there's a hole long = enough for the blade the grit cuts quickly on both the push and pull = strokes. Best of all it's lightweight and compact. -Bill Wade ----- Original Message -----=20 From: randy snarr=20 To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 6:50 PM Subject: [LML] Re: Thunder Mustang Crash at Reno I would think the last thing you would ever want it an LNC2 is = to end upside down. The thought of that terrifies me. Now that I think of it, anyone have a good line on light weight = saw that you could use to cut yourself out? I will be velcroing it to = the back of the passenger seat.. Randy Snarr N694RS "Flight by machines heavier than air is unpractical and = insignificant, if not utterly impossible" -Simon Newcomb, 1902 --- On Wed, 9/29/10, Douglas Brunner = wrote: From: Douglas Brunner Subject: [LML] Re: Thunder Mustang Crash at Reno To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wednesday, September 29, 2010, 5:31 AM I think a cartwheel is the LAST thing you would want. I also vote for a minimal airspeed landing on the gear or a = belly slide with the gear up. From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On = Behalf Of Bill Kennedy Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 10:33 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: Thunder Mustang Crash at Reno Hmm, an intentional cartwheel as an emergency procedure. May = be true, but I won't be trying it. I'll vote for a minimum = energy/airspeed touchdown on the belly or mains. Bill Kennedy ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 08:46:17 -0400 From: mcmess1919@yahoo.com Subject: [LML] Thunder Mustang Crash at Reno There was an seminar at Sun and Fun years ago where they = talked about how to best crash an airplane without a suitable place to = land...and this guy did it...a cartwheel. The energy is dissipated more = slowly and the G Forces are minimized. They looked at a number of = crashes and found that in those that cartwheeled, the pilot walked away. = Your comments? Steve Colwell Legacy = http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-092110-pilot-survives,0,646191.story?trac= k=3Drss=20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_083B_01CB613E.BBA5E830 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
   Lowe's sells a handle that = can hold=20 hacksaw blades for around $10. Ignore the sawblades that come with = it and=20 get and one or two pointed reciprocating saw (sawzall) blades with = carbide grit=20 (Remgrit). The carbide grit is able to start a hole in solid carbon=20 layups. A regular hacksaw blade won't touch it- I experimented. = Once=20 there's a hole long enough for the blade the grit cuts quickly on both = the push=20 and pull strokes. Best of all it's lightweight and compact.  -Bill=20 Wade
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 randy=20 snarr
Sent: Thursday, September 30, = 2010 6:50=20 PM
Subject: [LML] Re: Thunder = Mustang Crash=20 at Reno

I would think the last thing you would ever want = it an=20 LNC2 is to end upside down.
The thought of that terrifies = me.
Now=20 that I think of it, anyone have a good line on light weight saw = that you=20 could use to cut yourself out? I will be velcroing it to the = back of the=20 passenger seat..

Randy Snarr
N694RS

"Flight by machines heavier than = air is=20 unpractical and insignificant, if not utterly=20 impossible"
-Simon Newcomb, 1902

--- On Wed, = 9/29/10, Douglas Brunner = <douglasbrunner@earthlink.net>=20 wrote:

From:=20 Douglas Brunner = <douglasbrunner@earthlink.net>
Subject: [LML]=20 Re: Thunder Mustang Crash at Reno
To:=20 lml@lancaironline.net
Date: Wednesday, September 29, 2010, = 5:31=20 AM

I=20 think a cartwheel is the LAST thing you would want.

 

I=20 also vote for a minimal airspeed landing on the gear or a = belly slide=20 with the gear up.

 

From: Lancair = Mailing=20 List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bill=20 Kennedy
Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 10:33=20 AM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: = [LML] Re:=20 Thunder Mustang Crash at Reno

 

Hmm, an = intentional=20 cartwheel as an emergency procedure. May be true, but I won't = be=20 trying it. I'll vote for a minimum energy/airspeed touchdown = on the=20 belly or mains.

Bill Kennedy

To:=20 lml@lancaironline.net
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 08:46:17=20 -0400
From: mcmess1919@yahoo.com
Subject: [LML] Thunder = Mustang=20 Crash at Reno

There was = an=20 seminar at Sun and Fun years ago where they talked about how = to best=20 crash an airplane without a suitable place to land...and this = guy did=20 it...a cartwheel.  The energy is dissipated more slowly = and the G=20 Forces are minimized.  They looked at a number of crashes = and=20 found that in those that cartwheeled, the pilot walked away.=20  Your comments?

 

Steve=20 Colwell   Legacy

http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-092110-pilot-survives,0,6= 46191.story?track=3Drss=20 =


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