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From: Charlie Kohler <charliekohler@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [LML] Engine failure ATC Transcript Super Legacy Twin Turbo TSIO 580
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Hi All,=0AYou are right Randy. Mark is absolutely the best- in communicatin=
g. And he has =0Adone a beautiful job in putting just the right equipment o=
n the airplane for =0Athis flight. Icing/navigating/flying (autopilot) etc.=
 etc..=0A=A0=0ABut if you look closer in his pictures you find that he was =
using the blue hose =0Acouplings that have not been manufactured in years. =
=0A=0AThe blue ones are much thicker and jellylike allowing them to slip ou=
t from =0Aunder clamps.=0A=A0=0AContinental recognized this problem back wh=
en I started flying mine in 1995 and =0Aissued a service bulletin. SB 94- 3=
A /1995-05-23 =0A=0Aconverting to the thinner but thicker consistency red s=
ilicone.=A0 We need to=A0get =0Athe word out to pilots/mechanics to throw a=
way these old blue couplings. And-- =0Alooking closer we see that the clamp=
 used was not the proper one. The one used =0Aand shows in the picture is f=
or the turbocharger exhaust pipe-- not the turbo =0Aboost to the intake man=
ifold. The one shown in the picture will not clamp down =0Abeyond a certain=
 value.=0AThere have been many stories over the years about these hoses com=
ing off. Don G. =0Ahas an especially good one. Communication was not good t=
hat day and the =0Acontroller interpreted his report to be a C-130 with fou=
r engines out! Then =0Athings got interesting.=0A=A0=0AAlmost all Lancair t=
raining manuals address this problem and direct the Mixture =0Ato be pulled=
 aft untill engine runs smoothly. =0A=0A=0ACharlie K.=0A=0ASee me on the we=
b at =0Awww.Lancair-IV.com=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_______________________________=
_=0AFrom: randy snarr <randylsnarr@yahoo.com>=0ATo: lml@lancaironline.net=
=0ASent: Wed, September 8, 2010 11:48:43 AM=0ASubject: [LML] Engine failure=
 ATC Transcript Super Legacy Twin Turbo TSIO 580=0A=0A=0AAll,=0ABelow is a =
link to a youtube video which contains a transcript of a Legacy pilot =0Awh=
o departed Redmond, OR=A0 on an IFR flight plan. He climbs IMC to his assig=
ned =0Aaltitude at 21,000 and at 20,000 there is a big BANG!! and the engin=
e quits.=0AI only hope I would handle the same situation half as well...=0A=
=0ANeedless to say this is a harrowing story. The story has a happy ending =
but =0Aharrowing none the less. When listening to the audio, you forget how=
 serious the =0Asituation is because he is so calm. The pilot is a friend o=
f mine and I happened =0Ato call him 30 minutes after he landed and he reco=
unted the tale to me. He told =0Ame the scariest part was not when the engi=
ne quit but when he was forced to =0Adescend into dark ugly IMC/ and Icing =
conditions with a dead engine. Oh, over =0Athe mountains!=A0 He got icing o=
n the way up and his new deicing system was =0Aworking perfectly. He knew h=
e would most likely get it on the way down as well, =0Athis time with a dea=
d engine and potentially little power to run the deice =0Asystem. =0A=0AUpo=
n landing, it was discovered that a turbo hose blew off in climb and when =
=0Athat happened because of the sudden loss of boost, it completely flooded=
 the =0Aengine fouling the plugs.=0A=0AMark did an excellent job getting th=
e airplane and himself down in one piece.=0A=A0=0AHe travels the country we=
ekly and spends around 3 days a week traveling this =0Athis airplane. His e=
xperience and proficiency definitely shows in this =0Asituation...=0A=0AAbo=
ve is part A of the transcript. You will see part B when the video ends...=
=0A=0ANice work under pressure...=0A=0ARandy Snarr=0AN694RS=0A=0Ahttp://www=
.youtube.com/watch?v=3DnluZTFu2tCQ =0A
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ad><body><div style=3D"font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:1=
0pt"><DIV></DIV>=0A<DIV><FONT size=3D2>=0A<P>Hi All,</P>=0A<P>You are right=
 Randy. Mark is absolutely the best- in communicating. And he has done a be=
autiful job in putting just the right equipment on the airplane for this fl=
ight. Icing/navigating/flying (autopilot) etc. etc..</P>=0A<P>&nbsp;</P>=0A=
<P>But if you look closer in his pictures you find that he was using the bl=
ue hose couplings that have not been manufactured in years. </P>=0A<P>The b=
lue ones are much thicker and jellylike allowing them to slip out from unde=
r clamps.</P>=0A<P>&nbsp;</P>=0A<P>Continental recognized this problem back=
 when I started flying mine in 1995 and issued a service bulletin. SB 94- 3=
A /1995-05-23 </P>=0A<P>converting to the thinner but thicker consistency r=
ed silicone.&nbsp; We need to&nbsp;get the word out to pilots/mechanics to =
throw away these old blue couplings. And-- looking closer we see that the c=
lamp used was not the proper one. The one used and shows in the picture is =
for the turbocharger exhaust pipe-- not the turbo boost to the intake manif=
old. The one shown in the picture will not clamp down beyond a certain valu=
e.</P>=0A<P>There have been many stories over the years about these hoses c=
oming off. Don G. has an especially good one. Communication was not good th=
at day and the controller interpreted his report to be a C-130 with four en=
gines out! Then things got interesting.</P>=0A<P>&nbsp;</P>=0A<P>Almost all=
 Lancair training manuals address this problem and direct the Mixture to be=
 pulled aft untill engine runs smoothly. </P></FONT>=0A<P><BR>Charlie K.</P=
></DIV>=0A<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>=0A<DIV>See me on the web at </DIV>=0A<DIV><A hr=
ef=3D"http://www.lancair-iv.com/" rel=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank>www.Lancai=
r-IV.com</A></DIV>=0A<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>=0A<DIV><BR></DIV>=0A<DIV style=3D"FO=
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<FONT size=3D2 face=3DTahoma>=0A<HR SIZE=3D1>=0A<B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIG=
HT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> randy snarr &lt;randylsnarr@yahoo.com&gt;<BR><B>=
<SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> lml@lancaironline.net<BR><=
B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wed, September 8, 2010=
 11:48:43 AM<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [L=
ML] Engine failure ATC Transcript Super Legacy Twin Turbo TSIO 580<BR></FON=
T><BR>=0A<TABLE border=3D0 cellSpacing=3D0 cellPadding=3D0>=0A<TBODY>=0A<TR=
>=0A<TD vAlign=3Dtop>All,<BR>Below is a link to a youtube video which conta=
ins a transcript of a Legacy pilot who departed Redmond, OR&nbsp; on an IFR=
 flight plan. He climbs IMC to his assigned altitude at 21,000 and at 20,00=
0 there is a big BANG!! and the engine quits.<BR>I only hope I would handle=
 the same situation half as well...<BR><BR>Needless to say this is a harrow=
ing story. The story has a happy ending but harrowing none the less. When l=
istening to the audio, you forget how serious the situation is because he i=
s so calm. The pilot is a friend of mine and I happened to call him 30 minu=
tes after he landed and he recounted the tale to me. He told me the scaries=
t part was not when the engine quit but when he was forced to descend into =
dark ugly IMC/ and Icing conditions with a dead engine. Oh, over the mounta=
ins!&nbsp; He got icing on the way up and his new deicing system was workin=
g perfectly. He knew he would most likely get it on the way down as well,
 this time with a dead engine and potentially little power to run the deice=
 system. <BR>Upon landing, it was discovered that a turbo hose blew off in =
climb and when that happened because of the sudden loss of boost, it comple=
tely flooded the engine fouling the plugs.<BR><BR>Mark did an excellent job=
 getting the airplane and himself down in one piece.<BR>&nbsp;<BR>He travel=
s the country weekly and spends around 3 days a week traveling this this ai=
rplane. His experience and proficiency definitely shows in this situation..=
.<BR><BR>Above is part A of the transcript. You will see part B when the vi=
deo ends...<BR><BR>Nice work under pressure...<BR><BR>Randy Snarr<BR>N694RS=
<BR><BR>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DnluZTFu2tCQ</TD></TR></TBODY></TAB=
LE><BR></DIV></DIV></div></body></html>
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