X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 11:26:00 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.av-mx.com ([137.118.16.57] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.8) with ESMTP id 4402812 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 22 Jul 2010 11:11:51 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=137.118.16.57; envelope-from=pinetownd@volcano.net Received: from DennisPC (unknown [65.165.166.88]) (Authenticated sender: pinetownd@volcano.net) by smtp1.av-mx.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 355F82914E0 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2010 11:11:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-Message-ID: From: "Dennis Johnson" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" Subject: Legacy No Flap Landings X-Original-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 08:11:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_031D_01CB2975.7B949A80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18197 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_031D_01CB2975.7B949A80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A Legacy builder posted the following comment on another newsgroup: ...if you fly a Lancair (Legacy) there is no such thing as a proficient no flaps landing. It's simply risky. Certainly it can be done in an emergency. I totally disagree. In fact, since the Legacy has a dozen or so single = points of failure in the flap system, and no backup system, I wouldn't = fly the airplane if the statement were true. It had been months since I last practiced a no flap landing in my = Legacy, so on my last flight, I sought out a 6,000' runway at sea level = to practice a couple no flap landings. =20 I fly final approach based on angle of attack. For this practice, I = used "approach" AOA, which is much higher than 1.3 times stall with = flaps up. Stabilized on final at my desired AOA, I noticed 108 knots on = the airspeed indicator. (Solo pilot, 40 gallons of fuel.) I flared at = the normal height and held the normal sight picture. Touchdown was = actually better than average (I'm still trying to figure out how to = consistently (or even occasionally!) grease it on). The nose was not = any higher than normal and I never lost sight of the end of the runway. I did two of them, both touch and goes, with plenty of runway to spare. = In hindsight, I should have done a full stop landing in order to measure = how much runway I actually used. But on the other hand, the temperature = was over 100 deg F that day, so it was hardly standard conditions. =20 Anybody else routinely practice no flap landings in a Legacy? Any tips = or techniques? I hate to see what I believe are false "scare stories" = circulated about our airplanes on the internet. Dennis Legacy, 350 hours ------=_NextPart_000_031D_01CB2975.7B949A80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

A Legacy builder posted the following comment on another = newsgroup:

...if you fly a Lancair (Legacy) there is no = such thing=20 as a
proficient no flaps landing. It's simply risky. Certainly it can = be=20 done
in an emergency.

I totally disagree. In fact, since the Legacy has a = dozen or so=20 single points of failure in the flap system, and no backup system, I = wouldn't=20 fly the airplane if the statement were true.

It had been months since I last practiced a no flap landing in = my=20 Legacy, so on my last flight, I sought out a 6,000' runway at sea level=20 to practice a couple no flap landings.

I fly final approach based on angle of attack. For this=20 practice, I used "approach" AOA, which is much higher than 1.3 = times stall=20 with flaps up. Stabilized on final at my desired AOA, I = noticed 108=20 knots on the airspeed indicator. (Solo pilot, 40 gallons of = fuel.) I=20 flared at the normal height and held the normal sight picture. = Touchdown=20 was actually better than average (I'm still trying to figure out how to=20 consistently (or even occasionally!) grease it on). The nose = was not=20 any higher than normal and I never lost sight of the end of the=20 runway.

I did two of them, both touch and goes, with plenty of runway to=20 spare. In hindsight, I should have done a full = stop landing in=20 order to measure how much runway I actually used. But on the other = hand,=20 the temperature was over 100 deg F that day, so it was hardly standard=20 conditions.

Anybody else routinely practice no flap landings in a Legacy? = Any=20 tips or techniques? I hate to see what I believe are false "scare = stories"=20 circulated about our airplanes on the internet.

Dennis

Legacy, 350 hours

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