X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 04 May 2010 16:23:19 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from wolverine.webiness.com ([65.61.103.66] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.6) with ESMTPS id 4247212 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 04 May 2010 11:48:52 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=65.61.103.66; envelope-from=brent@regandesigns.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=regandesigns.com; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:X-Accept-Language:MIME-Version:To:Subject:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=dSznfszwAtV7q+GXedwz+wHiBVYst2shoNCfQ6v2X2ljHYv3RLCrq0/S5shhU9hPnSnt7PGNLI0595zrK+XCfETHZLYkP6r+n/z3sLAyOv5ckiWaB4LGIUQRToQOyIr0; Received: from 207-170-226-178.static.twtelecom.net ([207.170.226.178] helo=[192.168.1.145]) by wolverine.webiness.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O9KM4-00063I-Ov for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 04 May 2010 08:48:16 -0700 X-Original-Message-ID: <4BE041C5.2050209@regandesigns.com> X-Original-Date: Tue, 04 May 2010 08:48:21 -0700 From: Brent Regan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Subject: Re: Cabin Door Window-IV-P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - wolverine.webiness.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lancaironline.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - regandesigns.com Replacing the windows from the outside is the common practice and much easier than attempting a replacement from the inside. This is especially true for the door due to the stiffener and latch geometry and placement. I too had a bit of trouble accepting the concept but after some thought and analysis it became clear that replacing the window from the outside was the preferred option. The reason for original installation of the windows from the inside is less a function of strength and more a function of labor and cosmetics. Imagine the sanding work needed to fair in all the windows and the high chance of slipping with some 60 grit. Ouch! Remember that the entire fuselage is a series of layers that are glued together so it becomes a question of if you can get reasonably close to the prepreg bond strength with a wet layup. A quick analysis shows that the window area is about 400 square inches. If we assume a 10 PSI burst pressure we get 4,000 lbs force. The window bond perimeter is about 100 inches so the stress is about 40 pounds per linear inch of bond, which is about the peel strength. But the loading is cantilever, not pure peel, and the tensile strength for Jeffco (now Rhino) 1307LV is better than 2 KSI. Bottom line, no problem. The trick is to grind the door down about 0.060" around the window and taper it out about 4" so that when the 6 bid carbon is applied the original thickness is preserved. I made patterns to cut the wet layups to shape to minimize the work around the window edge. Once the 6 bid is on you can taper it back. The bid layers leave lines like a topo map so it is easy to get an even taper BUT, this is NOT a repair for an epoxy newbie. The BIG advantage of replacing the door window from the outside is that you don't mess with the door shape or latches. When my friend blew a window climbing over Colorado he landed in a remote town. He removed the door and shipped it to me. I was able to replace the window, paint the outside of the door in primer, reassemble and adjust the latches, pack and ship it to Colorado in less than a week. He was able to install the door in about an hour and flew the plane home.....pressurized! Once home he removed the door and took it to the paint shop. Now you can't tell any work was done. You have to love composites. Regards Brent Regan