X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 10:02:30 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [66.64.141.200] (HELO lucky.dts.local) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3c3) with ESMTP id 4023397 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 07:25:36 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=66.64.141.200; envelope-from=cjensen@dts9000.com Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA7E4A.F3AF97B2" Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Legacy Crash Watsonville? X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 X-Original-Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 07:26:11 -0500 X-Original-Message-ID: <8984A39879F2F5418251CBEEC9C689B30104A81C@lucky.dts.local> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [LML] Re: Legacy Crash Watsonville? Thread-Index: Acp9jHsZCaeuslsgR8GksvY01VAKTAAvOk5g From: "Chuck Jensen" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA7E4A.F3AF97B2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Randy, you make an excellent point in that how people will react in an = emergency is an unknown. Often, people that imagine themselves to be = heroic, will turn to mush in a real emergency, yet others, who express = no personal bravado, stay cool and calm in the clutch. =20 It's uniformly agreed that training is an excellent antidote to panic, = but still, some of these emergencies scenarios are infrequently = practiced and, even then, in such an artificial environment, as to be = nearly worthless. While physical training and practice for emergency = situations is the gold standard, it is still costly and time consuming. = =20 Fortunately, there is a no-cost method of maintaining a high level of = emergency proficiency....mental training and practice. The same as = golfers and most other athletes 'visualize' the shot, pass or hit, we = can visualize the emergency and go over, in our mind, one hundred times, = even one thousand time, our response. The time to 'think' is before an = emergency, not during it. If we have thought through the emergency = scenario, we will have a game plan to implement immediately, and not = have to formulate one on the fly (literally and figuratively). =20 We can do these mental exercises every flight; inventing and visualizing = different scenarios and thinking about our mental checklist = responses--each one may take only a few seconds. =20 =20 No cost, low effort, but highly effective. Chuck Jensen=20 -----Original Message----- From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net]On Behalf Of = Randy Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 8:41 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: Legacy Crash Watsonville? I was just talking to a fellow pilot concerning emergency training, etc. = There was a Piper Tramahawk that went down a few days ago near me, = killing both the student pilot and the CFI... It apparently lost power = and then altitude. The odd part is, it crashed into some trees.... In a = rural area where there are many many opens fields and pastures. Clear, = no wind, VFR.=20 OK, here's a plane that will still fly at 50 KTS, with a CFI on board, = with miles and miles of open area to attempt to walk away from a dirt = landing... Seems simple??? I'm sure we all remember the countless times the CFI pulled the throttle = or shut the fuel valve off during our private training. And with that, = we were taught to find the open areas or landable roads, freeway, golf = courses, etc., get to best glide, brace for the worst.... I'm sure most = of us always have a conscious landing spot in mind during every mile of = every flight.. So how does this happen?? We'll never know what they were thinking but I = can only guess that when the sh*t hits the fan some pilots try to stay = calm and revert to training and some pilots lock up and forget = everything. I can only speak from my own experiences, not anyone else's. = It's impossible to know how anyone would react until it happens to them. = It's pretty easy to make decisions sitting in an easy chair but real = panic is overwhelming for many people.=20 I'm sure there's a few pilots here that have experienced a dead stick or = two, a fire or some emergency that called for immediate action. Perhaps = some of these stories could be shared with the LML folks.=20 =20 Randy Stuart LNC-2 =20 =20 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Don Karich=20 To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 7:52 PM Subject: [LML] Re: Legacy Crash Watsonville? I was trained that in event of a fire on board to get out of the sky = ASAP. Not dangle on a parachute for several minutes while cooking. We = would practice 7000 ft / min decents with quick pull out and stick it on = the earth while still cognizant enough to land it and hopefully no major = parts melted off. On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 1:18 PM, farnsworth < farnsworth@charter.net> = wrote: -----Original Message----- From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto: lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf of = Ron Laughlin Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 9:26 AM "I wish he had had an airframe parachute. He might still be with us. I guess he opted for Rob's extra 10 gallons of gas that gave him soooo many more options.... RonL" Since an airframe parachute option is not an OPTION on a Legacy, he had = two other options that may have allowed him to survive: 1. Wear a personal parachute 2. Install a feathering prop I have both of those options with my Legacy. The prop is counterweighted = and so will feather with loss of oil pressure. Lynn Farnsworth Super Legacy #235 TSIO-550 Powered Race #44 Mmo .6 Mach Feathering Prop -- For archives and unsub = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA7E4A.F3AF97B2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Randy,=20 you make an excellent point in that how people will react in an=20 emergency is an unknown.  Often, people that imagine = themselves to be=20 heroic, will turn to mush in a real emergency, yet others, who express = no=20 personal bravado, stay cool and calm in the clutch.
 
It's=20 uniformly agreed that training is an excellent antidote to panic, but = still,=20 some of these emergencies scenarios are infrequently practiced and, = even=20 then, in such an artificial environment, as to be nearly = worthless. =20 While physical training and practice for emergency = situations is the=20 gold standard, it is still costly and time=20 consuming.  
 
Fortunately, there is a no-cost method of maintaining a = high level of=20 emergency proficiency....mental training and practice.  The = same as=20 golfers and most other athletes 'visualize' the shot, pass or hit, we = can=20 visualize the emergency and go over, in our mind, one hundred times, = even one=20 thousand time, our response.  The time to 'think' is before an = emergency,=20 not during it.  If we have thought through the emergency = scenario,=20 we will have a game plan to implement immediately, and not have=20 to formulate one on the fly (literally and=20 figuratively).
 
We can=20 do these mental exercises every flight; inventing and visualizing = different=20 scenarios and thinking about our mental checklist responses--each one = may take=20 only a few seconds. 
 
No=20 cost, low effort, but highly effective.

Chuck=20 Jensen
-----Original Message-----
From: Lancair = Mailing List=20 [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net]On Behalf Of = Randy
Sent:=20 Tuesday, December 15, 2009 8:41 AM
To:=20 lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: Legacy Crash=20 Watsonville?

I was just = talking to a=20 fellow pilot concerning emergency training, etc. =
There was a = Piper Tramahawk=20 that went down a few days ago near me, killing both the student pilot = and the=20 CFI... It apparently lost power and then altitude. The odd part = is, it=20 crashed into some trees.... In a rural area where there are many = many=20 opens fields and pastures. Clear, no wind, VFR. =
OK, here's a = plane that will=20 still fly at 50 KTS, with a CFI on board, with miles and miles of open = area to=20 attempt to walk away from a dirt landing... Seems=20 simple???
I'm sure we all = remember the=20 countless times the CFI pulled the throttle or shut the fuel valve off = during=20 our private training. And with that, we were taught to find the open = areas or=20 landable roads, freeway, golf courses, etc., get to best glide, = brace for=20 the worst.... I'm sure most of us always have a conscious landing spot = in mind=20 during every mile of every flight..
So how does this = happen??=20 We'll never know what they were thinking but I can only guess that = when the=20 sh*t hits the fan some pilots try to stay calm and revert to training = and some=20 pilots lock up and forget everything. I can only speak from my = own=20 experiences, not anyone else's.
It's impossible = to know how=20 anyone would react until it happens to them. It's pretty easy to make=20 decisions sitting in an easy chair but real panic is overwhelming for = many=20 people.
I'm sure there's = a few=20 pilots here that have experienced a dead stick or two, a fire or some=20 emergency that called for immediate action. Perhaps some of these = stories=20 could be shared with the LML folks.
 
Randy=20 Stuart
LNC-2
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Don=20 Karich
Sent: Monday, December 14, = 2009 7:52=20 PM
Subject: [LML] Re: Legacy = Crash=20 Watsonville?

I was trained that in event of a fire on board to get = out of=20 the sky ASAP. Not dangle on a parachute for several minutes while = cooking.=20 We would practice 7000 ft / min decents with quick pull out and = stick it on=20 the earth while still cognizant enough to land it and hopefully no = major=20 parts melted off.

On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 1:18 PM, farnsworth = <farnsworth@charter.net>=20 wrote:


-----Original Message-----
From: = Lancair Mailing=20 List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] = On Behalf=20 of Ron
Laughlin
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 9:26=20 AM


"I wish he had had an airframe parachute. He might = still be=20 with us. I
guess he opted for Rob's extra 10 gallons of gas = that gave=20 him soooo
many more options....

RonL"

Since = an=20 airframe parachute option is not an OPTION on a Legacy, he had=20 two
other options that may have allowed him to = survive:

1. Wear=20 a personal parachute
2. Install a feathering prop

I have = both of=20 those options with my Legacy. The prop is counterweighted = and
so will=20 feather with loss of oil pressure.

Lynn Farnsworth
Super Legacy = #235
TSIO-550=20 Powered
Race #44
Mmo .6 Mach
Feathering Prop


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