X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 08:41:11 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from blu0-omc3-s37.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.112] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3c3) with ESMTP id 4020906 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 23:43:31 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=65.55.116.112; envelope-from=randystuart@hotmail.com Received: from BLU0-SMTP87 ([65.55.116.73]) by blu0-omc3-s37.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 14 Dec 2009 20:42:51 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [99.163.183.180] X-Originating-Email: [randystuart@hotmail.com] X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: randystuart@hotmail.com Received: from laptop ([99.163.183.180]) by BLU0-SMTP87.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 14 Dec 2009 20:42:49 -0800 From: "Randy" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Legacy Crash Watsonville? X-Original-Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 20:42:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0169_01CA7CFE.0055F090" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Dec 2009 04:42:50.0180 (UTC) FILETIME=[0E6C3840:01CA7D41] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0169_01CA7CFE.0055F090 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was just talking to a fellow pilot concerning emergency training, etc. = There was a Piper Tramahawk that went down a few days ago near me, = killing both the student pilot and the CFI... It apparently lost power = and then altitude. The odd part is, it crashed into some trees.... In a = rural area where there are many many opens fields and pastures. Clear, = no wind, VFR.=20 OK, here's a plane that will still fly at 50 KTS, with a CFI on board, = with miles and miles of open area to attempt to walk away from a dirt = landing... Seems simple??? I'm sure we all remember the countless times the CFI pulled the throttle = or shut the fuel valve off during our private training. And with that, = we were taught to find the open areas or landable roads, freeway, golf = courses, etc., get to best glide, brace for the worst.... I'm sure most = of us always have a conscious landing spot in mind during every mile of = every flight.. So how does this happen?? We'll never know what they were thinking but I = can only guess that when the sh*t hits the fan some pilots try to stay = calm and revert to training and some pilots lock up and forget = everything. I can only speak from my own experiences, not anyone else's. = It's impossible to know how anyone would react until it happens to them. = It's pretty easy to make decisions sitting in an easy chair but real = panic is overwhelming for many people.=20 I'm sure there's a few pilots here that have experienced a dead stick or = two, a fire or some emergency that called for immediate action. Perhaps = some of these stories could be shared with the LML folks.=20 Randy Stuart LNC-2 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Don Karich=20 To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 7:52 PM Subject: [LML] Re: Legacy Crash Watsonville? I was trained that in event of a fire on board to get out of the sky = ASAP. Not dangle on a parachute for several minutes while cooking. We = would practice 7000 ft / min decents with quick pull out and stick it on = the earth while still cognizant enough to land it and hopefully no major = parts melted off. On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 1:18 PM, farnsworth = wrote: -----Original Message----- From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf = of Ron Laughlin Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 9:26 AM "I wish he had had an airframe parachute. He might still be with us. = I guess he opted for Rob's extra 10 gallons of gas that gave him soooo many more options.... RonL" Since an airframe parachute option is not an OPTION on a Legacy, he = had two other options that may have allowed him to survive: 1. Wear a personal parachute 2. Install a feathering prop I have both of those options with my Legacy. The prop is = counterweighted and so will feather with loss of oil pressure. Lynn Farnsworth Super Legacy #235 TSIO-550 Powered Race #44 Mmo .6 Mach Feathering Prop -- For archives and unsub = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html ------=_NextPart_000_0169_01CA7CFE.0055F090 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I was just talking = to a fellow=20 pilot concerning emergency training, etc.
There was a Piper = Tramahawk=20 that went down a few days ago near me, killing both the student pilot = and the=20 CFI... It apparently lost power and then altitude. The odd part = is, it=20 crashed into some trees.... In a rural area where there are many = many opens=20 fields and pastures. Clear, no wind, VFR.
OK, here's a plane = that will=20 still fly at 50 KTS, with a CFI on board, with miles and miles of open = area to=20 attempt to walk away from a dirt landing... Seems=20 simple???
I'm sure we all = remember the=20 countless times the CFI pulled the throttle or shut the fuel valve off = during=20 our private training. And with that, we were taught to find the open = areas or=20 landable roads, freeway, golf courses, etc., get to best glide, = brace for=20 the worst.... I'm sure most of us always have a conscious landing spot = in mind=20 during every mile of every flight..
So how does this = happen??=20 We'll never know what they were thinking but I can only guess that when = the sh*t=20 hits the fan some pilots try to stay calm and revert to training and = some pilots=20 lock up and forget everything. I can only speak from my own = experiences,=20 not anyone else's.
It's impossible to = know how=20 anyone would react until it happens to them. It's pretty easy to make = decisions=20 sitting in an easy chair but real panic is overwhelming for many people. =
I'm sure there's a = few pilots=20 here that have experienced a dead stick or two, a fire or some emergency = that=20 called for immediate action. Perhaps some of these stories could be=20 shared with the LML folks.
 
Randy=20 Stuart
LNC-2
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Don = Karich=20
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 = 7:52=20 PM
Subject: [LML] Re: Legacy Crash = Watsonville?

I was trained that in event of a fire on board to get = out of=20 the sky ASAP. Not dangle on a parachute for several minutes while = cooking. We=20 would practice 7000 ft / min decents with quick pull out and stick it = on the=20 earth while still cognizant enough to land it and hopefully no major = parts=20 melted off.

On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 1:18 PM, farnsworth = <farnsworth@charter.net>=20 wrote:


-----Original Message-----
From: Lancair = Mailing=20 List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On = Behalf of=20 Ron
Laughlin
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 9:26 = AM


"I=20 wish he had had an airframe parachute. He might still be with us. = I
guess=20 he opted for Rob's extra 10 gallons of gas that gave him = soooo
many more=20 options....

RonL"

Since an airframe parachute = option is=20 not an OPTION on a Legacy, he had two
other options that may have = allowed=20 him to survive:

1. Wear a personal parachute
2. Install a=20 feathering prop

I have both of those options with my Legacy. = The prop=20 is counterweighted and
so will feather with loss of oil = pressure.

Lynn Farnsworth
Super Legacy #235
TSIO-550 = Powered
Race #44
Mmo .6 Mach
Feathering Prop


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