X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 12:03:50 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from bay0-omc3-s11.bay0.hotmail.com ([65.54.190.149] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3c3) with ESMTP id 3990613 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 25 Nov 2009 09:12:07 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=65.54.190.149; envelope-from=joscales98@hotmail.com Received: from BAY124-W25 ([65.54.190.189]) by bay0-omc3-s11.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 25 Nov 2009 06:11:32 -0800 X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: joscales98@hotmail.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_d417d6db-a52d-4212-90a2-80b0f0b92651_" X-Originating-IP: [75.81.231.245] From: Jim Scales X-Original-To: Lancair List Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Bahamas bound X-Original-Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 08:11:32 -0600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Nov 2009 14:11:32.0104 (UTC) FILETIME=[3069A080:01CA6DD9] --_d417d6db-a52d-4212-90a2-80b0f0b92651_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The first few years I flew to the Bahamas I had to contact the Bahamian Avi= ation Department to get a letter of authority so I could bring an experimen= tal plane into the islands. I used to deal with Anthony Dean who was the d= irector. =20 About three years ago I contacted him for the usual permit letter and he in= formed me that the requirements had been modified so as to be consistent wi= th US regs and that I no longer needed a permit letter to fly in the Bahama= s. =20 Unless there has been a more recent change I believe there is no longer a r= equirement for a permit from the Bahamian government to fly your experiment= al into their airports. =20 =20 If someone has more recent experience or information then I need to be maki= ng a change in my proceedure for my next trip. =20 It is a great adventure and I assure you that you will not stop at just one= trip. =20 Have fun. =20 Jim Scales =20 To:=20 Date: Wed=2C 25 Nov 2009 08:17:46 -0500 From: cfi@instructor.net Subject: [LML] Re: Bahamas bound Matt=2C Lot's of great info from others=2C just a couple more things. Try to ge= t the US customs decal for your plane ahead of time. Here is the web site.= https://dtops.cbp.dhs.gov/ =20 A fairly new item that needs to be addressed is eAPIS at https://eapis.cbp.= dhs.gov/eapisj/eapis/login Go to the AOPA web site and you can take an o= nline course in dealing with eAPIS requirements here: http://flash.aopa.or= g/asf/eAPIS/ Ron Galbraith ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill To: lml Subject: [LML] Bahamas bound Date: Tue=2C 24 Nov 2009 06:21:41 -0500 Hello Matt=2C =20 Looks like you've gotten some good advice on the Bahamas. I agree with most= everything that Paul=2C Jim=2C Jeff and Doug have said. It's an easy trip = but it does take a bit of preparation. Flying an experimental down requires= a permit.(although I've never been asked for it) It's simply an airworthi= ness "validation". I've attached the validation to this post. All you need= to do is print it out and carry a copy on board (just like Canada). I've a= lso attached the C7 and C7A customs forms. Print out several copies of thes= e. Some destinations want 3 copies. =20 As far as destinations=2C depends on what you like. If you're looking for c= asinos=2C night clubs and shopping...Nassau and Freeport are for you. Sue a= nd I enjoy the out islands. If you like fishing or just like to be far away= from the bright lights Pittstown Point on Crooked Island is an excellent c= hoice. Park your plane a few steps from your room. Last time we were there = the runway was 2=2C000 ft but I've heard that they've lengthened it. =20 Another place that you can park your plane and walk to your room is Hawk's = Nest on Cat Island. Great place to relax and unwind. Also on Cat Island is = Fernandez Bay near the New Bight airport (customs and fuel here). The peopl= e on Cat Island are the friendliest folks in the Bahamas. Can't go wrong he= re. =20 We also like Staniel Cay. The S.C. Yacht Club is a great place to stay. You= can easily walk to the club from the airport or they will pick you up in a= golf cart. You stay in your own little cabin right on the water. NOT fancy= but very relaxing. From here you can go snorkeling in Thunderball Grotto a= nd visit the famous swimming pigs. =20 The best beach in the Bahamas (in my opinion) is at Cape Santa Maria on Lon= g Island. They have their own runway right at the resort but it's coral and= a bit rough. We've landed the 320 there but we recommend that you practice= up on your soft field landing and takeoff procedures. If you'd like to go = the Cape Santa Maria but are uncomfortable with the coral runway=2C you can= land at Stella Marris and drive over to C.S.M. maybe a 25 minute ride. =20 You do need to learn to speak Bahamian. Cay is pronounced KEY=2C beer is Ka= lik=2C and mon means man. That should get you by. =20 Here are a few photos of trips to the Bahamas. =20 Bill Harrelson N5ZQ 320 1=2C750 hrs N6ZQ IV under construction<< 1 021.jpg >> << 1 046.jpg >> << 1 048.jpg >> = << 1 060.jpg >> << 1 175.jpg >> << 1 224.jpg >> << Bahamas C7 & C7A forms.p= df >> << bahamas experimental validation.pdf >> << 10.dat >>=20 = --_d417d6db-a52d-4212-90a2-80b0f0b92651_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The first few years I flew to the Bahamas I had to contact the Bahamian Avi= ation Department to get a letter of authority so I could bring an experimen= tal plane into the islands. =3B I used to deal with Anthony Dean who wa= s the director.
 =3B
About three years ago I contacted him for the usual permit letter and he in= formed me that the requirements had been modified so as to be consistent wi= th US regs and that I no longer needed a permit letter to fly in the Bahama= s.
 =3B
Unless there has been a more recent change I believe there is no =3Blon= ger a requirement for a permit from the Bahamian government to fly your exp= erimental into their airports. =3B
 =3B
If someone has more recent experience or information then I need to be = =3Bmaking a change in my proceedure for my next trip.
 =3B
It is a great adventure and I assure you that you will not stop at just one= trip.
 =3B
Have fun.
 =3B
Jim Scales
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To:
Date: Wed=2C 25 Nov 2009 08:17:46 -0500
From: cfi@instructor.net=
Subject: [LML] Re: Bahamas bound

Matt=2C
 =3B =3B Lot= 's of great info from others=2C just a couple more things. =3B Try to g= et the US customs decal for your plane ahead of time. =3B Here is the w= eb site. =3B https://dtops.cbp.dhs.gov/ =3B =3B
A fairly ne= w item that needs to be addressed is eAPIS at https://eapis.cbp.dhs.gov/eap= isj/eapis/login =3B =3B =3B Go to the AOPA web site and you can= take an online course in dealing with eAPIS requirements here: =3B htt= p://flash.aopa.org/asf/eAPIS/

Ron Galbraith

----- Original = Message -----
From: Bill <=3Bn5zq@verizon.net>=3B
To: lml
Subj= ect: [LML] Bahamas bound
Date: Tue=2C 24 Nov 2009 06:21:41 -0500


Hello Matt=2C<= /FONT>
 =3B
Looks like you've gotten some good advice = on the Bahamas. =3BI agree with most everything that Paul=2C Jim=2C Jef= f and Doug have said. It's an easy trip but it does take a bit of preparati= on. Flying an experimental down =3Brequires a permit.(although I've nev= er been asked for it) =3B =3BIt's simply an airworthiness "validati= on".  =3BI've attached the validation to this post. All you need to do = is print it out and carry a copy on board (just like Canada). I've also att= ached the C7 and C7A customs forms. Print out several copies of these. Some= destinations want 3 copies.
 =3B
As far as destinations=2C depends on what = you like. If you're looking for casinos=2C night clubs and shopping...Nassa= u and Freeport are for you. Sue and I enjoy the out islands. If you like fi= shing or just like to be far away from =3Bthe bright lights =3BPitt= stown Point on Crooked Island is an excellent choice. Park your plane a few= steps from your room. Last time we were there the runway was 2=2C000 ft bu= t I've heard that they've lengthened it.
 =3B
Another place that you can park your plane= and walk to your room is Hawk's Nest on Cat Island. Great place to relax a= nd unwind. Also on Cat Island is Fernandez Bay near the New Bight airport (= customs and fuel here). The people on Cat Island are the friendliest folks = in the Bahamas. Can't go wrong here.
 =3B
We also like Staniel Cay. The S.C. Yacht C= lub is a great place to stay. You can easily walk to the club from the airp= ort or they will pick you up in a golf cart. You stay in your own little ca= bin right on the water. NOT fancy but very relaxing. From here you can go s= norkeling in Thunderball Grotto and visit the famous swimming pigs.<= /DIV>
 =3B
The best beach in the Bahamas (in my opini= on) is at Cape Santa Maria on Long Island. They have their own runway right= at the resort but it's coral and a bit rough. We've landed the 320 there b= ut we recommend that you practice up on your soft field landing and takeoff= procedures. If you'd like to go the Cape Santa Maria but are uncomfortable= with the coral runway=2C you can land at Stella Marris and drive over to C= .S.M. maybe a 25 minute ride.
 =3B
You =3Bdo need to learn to speak Baham= ian. Cay is pronounced KEY=2C beer is Kalik=2C and mon means man. That shou= ld get you by.
 =3B
Here are a few photos of trips to the Baha= mas.
 =3B
Bill Harrelson
N5ZQ 320 1=2C750 hrs
N6ZQ =3B IV under construction<= /DIV>
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