X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 20:50:03 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [64.98.42.86] (HELO smtprelay.b.hostedemail.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.16) with ESMTP id 3844789 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 14:58:04 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.98.42.86; envelope-from=rmitch1@hughes.net Received: from filter.hostedemail.com (b-bigip1 [10.5.19.254]) by smtprelay03.b.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 027C8D4E9D8 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 18:57:31 +0000 (UTC) X-Spam-Summary: 10,1,0,7f4055c0929a4032,b411e116ac38a5be,rmitch1@hughes.net,lml@lancaironline.net,RULES_HIT:10:75:327:355:379:476:539:541:542:599:600:800:901:945:946:960:962:967:972:973:980:983:988:989:1021:1029:1059:1155:1160:1208:1212:1221:1260:1308:1309:1313:1314:1345:1359:1431:1436:1437:1515:1516:1517:1521:1575:1588:1589:1592:1594:1691:1712:1730:1776:1792:2068:2069:2194:2196:2197:2198:2199:2200:2201:2202:2525:2528:2540:2551:2553:2568:2682:2685:2693:2730:2731:2733:2739:2743:2745:2797:2857:2859:2902:2917:2933:2937:2939:2942:2945:2947:2951:2954:3022:3027:3280:3355:3585:3586:3636:3653:3770:3865:3866:3867:3868:3869:3870:3871:3872:3873:3874:3876:3877:3934:3936:3938:3941:3944:3947:3950:3953:3956:3959:4250:4321:4362:4379:5007:6114:6117:6119:6238:6248:6300:7208:7266:7514:7576:7679:7688:7809:7875:7903:8501:8518:8583:8599:8603:8784:8957:8985:8987:9009:9010:9025:9040:9080:9149:9177:9388:9391:9545:9868,0,RBL:none,CacheIP:none,Bayesian:0.5,0.5,0.5,Netchec X-Session-Marker: 726D6974636831406875676865732E6E6574 X-Filterd-Recvd-Size: 25379 Received: from SonyVaioSZ (unknown [67.143.74.214]) (Authenticated sender: rmitch1@hughes.net) by omf10.b.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 18:57:25 +0000 (UTC) From: "Robert Mitchell" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Lancair ES tow X-Original-Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:57:05 -0500 X-Original-Message-ID: <9EDD976635DD40A3A1C36634BDC46F03@SonyVaioSZ> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_017B_01CA321E.9942CCE0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 Thread-Index: Acox/y8X3cVkMckJQ0uybRGm9OoaDgASFgzQ This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_017B_01CA321E.9942CCE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I towed a (T-6 +/- 3600 lbs wt.) in and out of a hangar for years with the electric winch. Simple, cheap. Have to make a bridle to connect to the main gear and use some sort of a turn block to pull out. I just anchored it to by my car hitch. All in all a pain in the ass. My buddy also with a T-6 bought an old golf cart, 36 volt, added some weight over the rear drive wheels and it worked great - relatively cheap! Bob Mitchell L-320 N56SH _____ From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Joseph Neustein Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 05:12 To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: Lancair ES tow Thanks Colyn: The supertow looks ideal but is a bit pricey: $2695 http://www.powertow.com/pdfs/supertow_brochure.pdf With the winch I suspect the airplane still needs to lined up with a hand towbar in order to be pulled into the hanger and the winch will not help get it out :( A lawn tractor set up is a great option. JN On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 8:27 PM, Colyn Case at earthlink wrote: Joe, I do not have a nose dragger. I have an electric tow buddy. Two things to look out for: 1) lack of weight over the wheel. I thought I could overcome this with my own boddy weight but not really. 2) max speed is what gets you airplane inertia to get over bumps or ice if you have any. the electric two buddy is too slow. My nominations: a) run out lawn tractor with tow bar. b) super-tow with the turntable under the nosewheel. c) winch Colyn ----- Original Message ----- From: Joseph Neustein To: lml@lancaironline.net Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 12:07 PM Subject: [LML] Re: Lancair ES tow Thanks to all who responded. I think some of the options suggested by the retractable crowd may not work well with the ES nose wheel fairing. I am summarizing the options so far: allenmachine airplane winch with remote control about $410 http://allenmachineco.com/pages/data/airplane.htm (seems compatible with any airplane) 40 EZ power tow $1195 plus Columbia nylon Bushing $65 and 10" extensions $40 shipping $100 http://www.powertow.com/40ez1.html ( JHeizer@comcast.net had an earlier post that he had used the powertow) Wag-Aero electric tow buddy $1185 http://store.wagaero.com/product_info.php?products_id=14093 ( no comments from ES owners ) aero- tow E200 $1325 dolly wheels $50 shipping extra http://www.aero-tow.com/E200.html (no comments from ES owners) Nose dragger $1450 24volt up to 6,000# 1350 12V up to 3000# BATTERIES NOT INCLUDED :( see web site for quite a difference in price options for batteries http://dragger.com/battery-selection-for-12-24-volt-dragger/) https://dragger.com/Nose-Dragger-DRAGGER/ (used successfully by many ES owners) I am leaning towards the Nose dragger as being the least likely to scuff the wheel fairings or over torque the tow ear attatchment to the strut. Joe Neustein ESP phase I -- Joseph Neustein, MD 7280 Valencia Drive Boca Raton, Fl 33433 915-276-8316 mobile 509-271-2700 fax jneusteinmd@gmail.com ------=_NextPart_000_017B_01CA321E.9942CCE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I towed a (T-6 +/- 3600 lbs = wt.)  in and out of a hangar for years with the electric winch.  Simple, = cheap.  Have to make a bridle to connect to the main gear and use some sort of a turn = block to pull out.  I just anchored it to by my car hitch.  All in all = a pain in the ass.  My buddy also with a T-6 bought an old golf cart, 36 volt, = added some weight over the rear drive wheels and it worked great – relatively = cheap!

 

Bob = Mitchell

L-320

N56SH

 

From: = Lancair Mailing List = [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Joseph Neustein
Sent: Thursday, September = 10, 2009 05:12
To: = lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: = Lancair ES tow

 

Thanks Colyn:

 

The supertow looks ideal but is a bit pricey: $2695
http://www.po= wertow.com/pdfs/supertow_brochure.pdf

 

With the winch I suspect the airplane still needs to lined up = with a hand towbar in order to be pulled into the hanger and the winch will not = help get it out :(

 

A lawn tractor set up is a great = option.

 

JN

On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 8:27 PM, Colyn Case at earthlink <colyncase@earthlink.net> = wrote:

Joe,

I do not have a nose dragger. I have an electric tow = buddy.

Two things to look out = for:

1) lack of weight over the wheel.   I = thought I could overcome this with my own boddy weight but not = really.

2) max speed is what gets you airplane inertia to get = over bumps or ice if you have any.   the electric two buddy is too = slow.

 

My nominations:

a) run out lawn tractor with tow = bar.

b) super-tow with the turntable under the = nosewheel.

c) winch

 

Colyn

=

----- Original Message ----- =

From: Joseph Neustein =

Sent: = Wednesday, September 09, 2009 12:07 PM

Subject: [LML] = Re: Lancair ES tow

 

Thanks to all who responded. I think some of the options = suggested by the retractable crowd may not work well with the ES nose wheel fairing. = I am summarizing the options so far:

 

allenmachine airplane winch with remote control about = $410

(seems compatible with any = airplane)

 

40 EZ power tow $1195 plus Columbia nylon Bushing = $65  and 10" extensions $40 shipping $100

( JHeizer@comcast.net  had an earlier post that he had used the = powertow)

 

Wag-Aero electric tow buddy $1185

 ( no comments from ES owners = )

 

aero- tow E200 $1325 dolly wheels $50 shipping = extra

(no comments from ES owners)

 

Nose dragger $1450 24volt up to 6,000# 1350 12V up to = 3000#  BATTERIES NOT INCLUDED :( see web site for quite a difference in price = options for batteries http://dragger.com/battery-selection-for-12-24-volt-dra= gger/)

(used successfully by many ES = owners)

 

I am leaning towards the Nose dragger as being the least likely = to scuff the wheel fairings or over torque the tow ear attatchment to the = strut.

 

Joe Neustein

ESP phase I

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 




--
Joseph Neustein, = MD
7280 Valencia = Drive
Boca = Raton, Fl 33433
915-276-8316 mobile
509-271-2700 fax
jneusteinmd@gmail.com

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