X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 06:12:19 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mail-yx0-f184.google.com ([209.85.210.184] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.16) with ESMTP id 3843808 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 09 Sep 2009 21:35:46 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.210.184; envelope-from=jneusteinmd@gmail.com Received: by yxe14 with SMTP id 14so1930007yxe.7 for ; Wed, 09 Sep 2009 18:35:12 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=sMkzqhiwHI9Wou/HWTH09qgod99HgjFX7m4daO3ogMPhTjfoXR8f5MIKdjArdagULB BXiXD1hfkKMaXdTt71+ccRkh58I5u8IzF6xoy+uLFmvNFdBIylEuydZTZsbXXnLMdQtB sTnxGqLatw3iXEFR/7Rro3wgbHlnWqsBqKS+U= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.142.13 with SMTP id p13mr1667794ybd.25.1252546511725; Wed, 09 Sep 2009 18:35:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: X-Original-Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 21:35:11 -0400 X-Original-Message-ID: Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Lancair ES tow From: Joseph Neustein X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cdf1330e5999704732f358c --000e0cdf1330e5999704732f358c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks Colyn: The supertow looks ideal but is a bit pricey: $2695 http://www.powertow.com/pdfs/supertow_brochure.pdf With the winch I suspect the airplane still needs to lined up with a hand towbar in order to be pulled into the hanger and the winch will not help get it out :( A lawn tractor set up is a great option. JN On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 8:27 PM, Colyn Case at earthlink < colyncase@earthlink.net> wrote: > Joe, > I do not have a nose dragger. I have an electric tow buddy. > Two things to look out for: > 1) lack of weight over the wheel. I thought I could overcome this with my > own boddy weight but not really. > 2) max speed is what gets you airplane inertia to get over bumps or ice if > you have any. the electric two buddy is too slow. > > My nominations: > a) run out lawn tractor with tow bar. > b) super-tow with the turntable under the nosewheel. > c) winch > > Colyn > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Joseph Neustein > *To:* lml@lancaironline.net > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 09, 2009 12:07 PM > *Subject:* [LML] Re: Lancair ES tow > > Thanks to all who responded. I think some of the options suggested by the > retractable crowd may not work well with the ES nose wheel fairing. I am > summarizing the options so far: > > allenmachine airplane winch with remote control about $410 > http://allenmachineco.com/pages/data/airplane.htm > (seems compatible with any airplane) > > 40 EZ power tow $1195 plus *Columbia *nylon Bushing $65 and 10" > extensions $40 shipping $100 > http://www.powertow.com/40ez1.html > ( JHeizer@comcast.net had an earlier post that he had used the powertow) > > Wag-Aero electric tow buddy $1185 > http://store.wagaero.com/product_info.php?products_id=14093 > ( no comments from ES owners ) > > aero- tow E200 $1325 dolly wheels $50 shipping extra > http://www.aero-tow.com/E200.html > (no comments from ES owners) > > Nose dragger $1450 24volt up to 6,000# 1350 12V up to 3000# BATTERIES NOT > INCLUDED :( see web site for quite a difference in price options for > batteries *http://dragger.com/battery-selection-for-12-24-volt-dragger/*) > https://dragger.com/Nose-Dragger-DRAGGER/ > (used successfully by many ES owners) > > I am leaning towards the Nose dragger as being the least likely to scuff > the wheel fairings or over torque the tow ear attatchment to the strut. > > Joe Neustein > ESP phase I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Joseph Neustein, MD 7280 Valencia Drive Boca Raton, Fl 33433 915-276-8316 mobile 509-271-2700 fax jneusteinmd@gmail.com --000e0cdf1330e5999704732f358c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Colyn:
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The supertow looks ideal but is a bit pricey: $2695
http://www.powertow.com/pdf= s/supertow_brochure.pdf
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With the winch I suspect the airplane still needs to lined up with a h= and towbar in order to be pulled into the hanger and the winch will not hel= p get it out :(
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A lawn tractor set up is a great option.
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JN
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 8:27 PM, Colyn Case at ea= rthlink <co= lyncase@earthlink.net> wrote:
Joe,
I do not have a nose dragger. I have a= n electric tow buddy.
Two things to look out for:
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2) max speed is what gets you airplane= inertia to get over bumps or ice if you have any.=A0=A0 the electric two b= uddy is too slow.
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My nominations:
a) run out lawn tractor with tow bar.<= /font>
b) super-tow with the turntable under = the nosewheel.
c) winch
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Colyn
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Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 = 12:07 PM
Subject: [LML] Re: Lancair ES tow

Thanks to all who responded. I think some of the options suggested by = the retractable crowd may not work well with the ES nose wheel fairing. I a= m summarizing the options so far:
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allenmachine airplane winch with remote control about $410
(seems compatible with any airplane)
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40 EZ power tow $1195 plus Columbia nylon Bushing $65= =A0=A0and 10" extensions $40 shipping $100
( JHeizer@com= cast.net=A0=A0had an earlier post=A0that he had used the powertow)
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Wag-Aero electric tow buddy $1185
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aero- tow E200 $1325 dolly wheels $50 shipping extra
(no comments from ES owners)
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Nose dragger $1450 24volt up to 6,000# 1350 12V up to 3000#=A0 BATTERI= ES NOT INCLUDED :( see web site for quite a difference in price options for= batteries http://dragger.com/ba= ttery-selection-for-12-24-volt-dragger/)
(used successfully by many ES owners)
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I am leaning towards the Nose dragger as being the least likely to scu= ff the wheel fairings or over torque the tow ear attatchment to the strut.<= /div>
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Joe Neustein
ESP phase I
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Joseph Neustein, MD
7280 Valencia Drive
Boca Ra= ton, Fl 33433
915-276-8316 mobile
509-271-2700 fax
jneusteinmd@gmail.com
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