X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 08:25:16 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from QMTA01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.16] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.16) with ESMTP id 3842083 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 08 Sep 2009 22:52:31 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=76.96.30.16; envelope-from=j.hafen@comcast.net Received: from OMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.51]) by QMTA01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id eMxd1c01S16AWCUA1Srby0; Wed, 09 Sep 2009 02:51:35 +0000 Received: from [10.0.1.196] ([98.247.30.133]) by OMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id eSrw1c00S2sKoey8SSrxGS; Wed, 09 Sep 2009 02:51:57 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.17.0.090302 X-Original-Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 19:51:55 -0700 Subject: Re: [LML] Tru Trac Sorcer oeprating questions From: John Hafen X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List X-Original-Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [LML] Tru Trac Sorcer oeprating questions Thread-Index: Acow+H2OnbgNNPew502P1eKicVHVfQ== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Excellent Carl. Many thanks. Just what I was looking for! John On 9/8/09 6:23 PM, "Carl Cadwell" wrote: > John and Bill, > I have about 700 hours behind a triple display Chelton with a TruTrak > Sorcerer autopilot. > My experience is that I fly the approaches (ILS, VOR, GPS) with the > Sorcerer in GPSV mode. The Chelton then drives the Sorcerer. Use the > altitude select on the Chelton to track down to the altitudes that ATC > gives you. When you level out at the approach altitude, turn off the > altitude hold and the Chelton then feeds the data to the Sorcerer to fly > the descents. The Chelton will display the approach altitude above the > altitude strip on the right side. Note: if you are tracking on > heading also turn off the heading. Both of these are turned off by > pushing the prompts "LNAV" and "VNAV" in the upper left of the screen. > Disengage the LNAV about 20 degrees before intercept as ATC is turning > you to intercept the inbound course. Disengage the VNAV when you are > ready to track vertically inbound. > > The Sorcerer then flies the approaches maintaining both vertical and > horizontal axis. You must also dial in the ILS from the Garmin 430 or > similar. Then set the OBS on the Chelton so the needles are > appropriate. Do this when you first pick up the ATIS telling you what > approach is being used. Also select the appropriate approach in the > Chelton and Garmin 430 at this time. > > So let the GPSV mode in the Sorcerer fly the approaches and you verify > everything is correct with the needles displayed on the Chelton. It > will fly right down the boxes, perhaps not always exactly in the center, > but right down the approach course. Said another way, you are flying > WAAS enabled GPS for all approaches and verifying everything is a go > using the ILS/VOR/GS needles. You have 2 systems that had better be > displaying the same information. > > Note: I also have WAAS on the Chelton. The system is terrific. > > Carl Cadwell > Formerly IVP with 1000 hours now an Epic with 700+ hours. > > > John, > > Don't know Chelton specifically, but generally speaking the EFIS HITS > approaches do NOT correspond exactly with the ILS or GPS glide paths - > they are typically based on a synthetic approach to the approach end of > the runway at a "standard" approach angle. Check your Chelton manuals > to confirm this. > > In any event, the ONLY thing you should compare the approach to is the > glide path / course needles. If they stay centered, the TT is doing it's > job perfectly. > > Regards, > > Bill > > > John Hafen wrote: > Gents: > > In my IVP, I have a Trutrak Sorcerer Autopilot wired to a Chelton twin > screen system. > > I shot a few GPS approaches today and everything seemed to work ok, > except that the decent after the IAF seemed to lag behind the HITS green > squares. The plane was going down, on the "glide slope" but not as > aggressively as it should have. Kind of hanging out near the top, or > slightly above the green boxes. It was a GPS approach that I initiated > by hitting the GPSV button on the Sorcerer. > > I know that altitude transitions can be made by airspeed, vertical > speed, or horizontal distance (VNAV). So if my descent was lagging, I > wonder if I need to go into Pitch Setup mode and play with the vertical > activity or vertical torque. Or some other parameter. > > Or is there a way to specify a certain airspeed or V-speed for the > descent - or is it just supposed to center the boxes. > > I apologize for rambling a little here. I suppose my fundamental > question is how to make the auto pilot fly the descent right in the > middle of the green boxes...... What Am I Missing? > > Many thanks and Regards. > > John Hafen > IVP N413AJ 175 hours > > -- > For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html