X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 21:23:46 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [207.254.33.66] (HELO DEWEY2.Cadwell.cadwell.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.16) with ESMTP id 3841300 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 08 Sep 2009 13:24:30 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=207.254.33.66; envelope-from=CarlC@cadwell.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 x-cr-hashedpuzzle: ALHV BB6q BUat Cd85 CibR CsEY D6Nz D7RQ FahH Fdxl G4sD HPPt ISM6 ISqO IeDZ J6Em;1;bABtAGwAQABsAGEAbgBjAGEAaQByAG8AbgBsAGkAbgBlAC4AbgBlAHQA;Sosha1_v1;7;{AD78A5A0-5752-474C-B39E-AB5BC86CBD94};YwBhAHIAbABjAEAAYwBhAGQAdwBlAGwAbAAuAGMAbwBtAA==;Tue, 08 Sep 2009 17:23:51 GMT;VAByAHUAIABUAHIAYQBjACAAUwBvAHIAYwBlAHIAIABvAGUAcAByAGEAdABpAG4AZwAgAHEAdQBlAHMAdABpAG8AbgBzAA== x-cr-puzzleid: {AD78A5A0-5752-474C-B39E-AB5BC86CBD94} Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Tru Trac Sorcer oeprating questions X-Original-Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 10:23:51 -0700 X-Original-Message-ID: <49F6A3DDBB4E614A9112C6180FCF712341114E@DEWEY2.Cadwell.cadwell.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Tru Trac Sorcer oeprating questions Thread-Index: AcowazgNVAFIdYesSGSBuSd0KYtAYwAOZQAQ References: From: "Carl Cadwell" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" John and Bill,=20 I have about 700 hours behind a triple display Chelton with a TruTrak Sorcerer autopilot. My experience is that I fly the approaches (ILS, VOR, GPS) with the Sorcerer in GPSV mode. The Chelton then drives the Sorcerer. Use the altitude select on the Chelton to track down to the altitudes that ATC gives you. When you level out at the approach altitude, turn off the altitude hold and the Chelton then feeds the data to the Sorcerer to fly the descents. The Chelton will display the approach altitude above the altitude strip on the right side. Note: if you are tracking on heading also turn off the heading. Both of these are turned off by pushing the prompts "LNAV" and "VNAV" in the upper left of the screen. Disengage the LNAV about 20 degrees before intercept as ATC is turning you to intercept the inbound course. Disengage the VNAV when you are ready to track vertically inbound. The Sorcerer then flies the approaches maintaining both vertical and horizontal axis. You must also dial in the ILS from the Garmin 430 or similar. Then set the OBS on the Chelton so the needles are appropriate. Do this when you first pick up the ATIS telling you what approach is being used. Also select the appropriate approach in the Chelton and Garmin 430 at this time. =20 So let the GPSV mode in the Sorcerer fly the approaches and you verify everything is correct with the needles displayed on the Chelton. It will fly right down the boxes, perhaps not always exactly in the center, but right down the approach course. Said another way, you are flying WAAS enabled GPS for all approaches and verifying everything is a go using the ILS/VOR/GS needles. You have 2 systems that had better be displaying the same information. Note: I also have WAAS on the Chelton. The system is terrific. Carl Cadwell Formerly IVP with 1000 hours now an Epic with 700+ hours. John,=20 Don't know Chelton specifically, but generally speaking the EFIS HITS approaches do NOT correspond exactly with the ILS or GPS glide paths - they are typically based on a synthetic approach to the approach end of the runway at a "standard" approach angle. Check your Chelton manuals to confirm this. In any event, the ONLY thing you should compare the approach to is the glide path / course needles. If they stay centered, the TT is doing it's job perfectly. Regards, Bill John Hafen wrote:=20 Gents: In my IVP, I have a Trutrak Sorcerer Autopilot wired to a Chelton twin screen system. I shot a few GPS approaches today and everything seemed to work ok, except that the decent after the IAF seemed to lag behind the HITS green squares. The plane was going down, on the "glide slope" but not as aggressively as it should have. Kind of hanging out near the top, or slightly above the green boxes. It was a GPS approach that I initiated by hitting the GPSV button on the Sorcerer. I know that altitude transitions can be made by airspeed, vertical speed, or horizontal distance (VNAV). So if my descent was lagging, I wonder if I need to go into Pitch Setup mode and play with the vertical activity or vertical torque. Or some other parameter. Or is there a way to specify a certain airspeed or V-speed for the descent - or is it just supposed to center the boxes. I apologize for rambling a little here. I suppose my fundamental question is how to make the auto pilot fly the descent right in the middle of the green boxes...... What Am I Missing?=20 Many thanks and Regards. John Hafen IVP N413AJ 175 hours