X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:49:24 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mta41.charter.net ([216.33.127.83] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.16) with ESMTP id 3823975 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:23:38 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=216.33.127.83; envelope-from=troneill@charter.net Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.10]) by mta41.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.09.01.00 201-2219-108-20080618) with ESMTP id <20090825152254.KNWR15952.mta41.charter.net@imp10>; Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:22:54 -0400 Received: from mp19 ([209.225.8.249]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id YfNu1c0095NP5o105fNuLY; Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:22:54 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=g3vLNBrsxv4A:10 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=zl2aTng2AAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=YwA9s7wRkgn_dd9CIq8A:9 a=b8kKI4edNsqaV2-o56b1mo3Z6boA:4 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=89QJDnjsVroA:10 X-Original-Message-ID: <20090825112254.C42ZO.4132180.root@mp19> X-Original-Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 8:22:54 -0700 From: X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Plenum pressure and Injector performance LOP X-Original-Cc: Sky2high@aol.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: from 75.132.241.174 by ssomail.charter.net; Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:22:54 -0400 Thanks fr the procedure, Grayhawk. I've run EGTs to lean of peak at low power settings, and didn't understand why so much spread in them... aside from them being in the bottom of the heads in the primer portsw (no ports in top on my heads)... but will now try this procedure and record the spreads. terrence (aka Redhand) ---- Sky2high@aol.com wrote: > Listen up Grasshopper, > > 1. If the engine is carbureted, you may be out of luck as there is no way > to control the F/A ratio in each cylinder. However, you can try step 3 > for informational purposes if you have the equipment listed in step 2. > > 2. You must have an engine monitor and sensors that display (or record) EGT > for each Cyl and the fuel flow. > > 3. Injected engines must perform the GAMI lean test before a "next step." > At 75% power (that means at or above 6500 MSL, 7500 if using ram air and > KIAS is less than 190, or higher), WOT (necessary to control air > distribution when running LOP) . > a. Starting sufficiently ROP, lean in small steps (less than .3 gph) > and record the EGT for each step for Cyl 1. Continue past peak EGT for that > Cyl for about 50F degrees LOP or until ugly roughness. > b. repeat "a" for each cylinder. > c. Check the gph for each cyl peak EGT. If the spread in .3 gph or > less, you are done and you should be able to run LOP 20F, 30F, 40F depending > on the spread). > > 4. If the spread is GT .3 gph, you must fix the A/F ratio. A cheap way > to start is to provide equal air pressure to each injector - a wee plenum > distribution to each shrouded injector) and repeat the Lean Test. > > 5. if the lean test shows the proper spread, go fly LOP (less than 75% > power)................... > > 6. If the lean test fails (GT .3 gph spread), consider different sized > injector nozzles (either GAMI or others) for the rich/lean cyls. > > Grayhawk can fly a 320 at 8500 MSL, ROP, 9.5 gph and see 195 KTAS or LOP, > 7.5 gph and 186 KTAS (all things being equal) thus eliminating a fuel stop > at 3.5 hours cause he could go another hour. 195 x 3.5 = 683, 186 x 4.5 = > 837, 837/195 = 4.3 + 1 (re-fuel stop time) = 5.3 Duh! > > Grayhawk > > > In a message dated 8/24/2009 2:40:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > Tim@5000feet.com writes: > > Hey guys, I am remembering a long time ago reading about > how the air pressure surrounding the injector can affect how > well the injector works. If I'm not mistaken, turbocharged > engines even use some pressure manifold around the injector > to accommodate for the increased Manifold Pressure. > > What gets me curious is that I'm having a discussion with some > folks right now who are all having problems running Lean of Peak > and their engines stumble before they get to peak EGT. Between > the group, there are a variety of ignitions such as 2 mags > or 1 lightspeed and one mag, and varieties such as 8.5:1, > 9:1, and 10:1 compression ratios, but the one constant is that > they all have what is purported to be a more effective cowl... > the Sam James cowl with a plenum. So I'm wondering if the > knowledge base some of you have would provide any insight > to the issue. I originally was worried that the 10:1 pistons > might make LOP operation harder to accomplish, but perhaps > there is just too much air pressure on the outside of the > injector? The cowl is known to often have too little exit > area, so it could be that the pressure differential is > even too high between the top and bottom half of the > cowl. > > Any insight you can give? > Thanks, > Tim > > -- > For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html > >