Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #52760
From: <Sky2high@aol.com>
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Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Plenum pressure and Injector performance LOP
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:49:09 -0400
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
Hmmmmmm......
 
Depends on what objective you are seeking.  Ram air to the engine means that your wings are flying at a higher altitude than the one at which your engine is operating.  It's free.
 
Grayhawk
 
In a message dated 8/25/2009 5:18:26 A.M. Central Daylight Time, douglasbrunner@earthlink.net writes:
You need to pressurize your injectors even if you have a GAMI spread of less than .3

Mike Mahar sells a setup that accomplishes this.  Or you can get the "rails" from a TSIO and install them on the IO.

One other option that some people have chosen is to just get rid of the ram air.  Don Barnes told me at Oshkosh that he got rid of ram air for this
very reason and now has 2 air filters (Don correct me if I got it wrong)




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From: Sky2high@aol.com
Sent: Aug 24, 2009 10:25 PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: Plenum pressure and Injector performance LOP

Listen up Grasshopper,
 
1.  If the engine is carbureted, you may be out of luck as there is no way to control the F/A ratio in each cylinder.  However, you can try step 3 for informational purposes if you have the equipment listed in step 2. 
 
2. You must have an engine monitor and sensors that display (or record) EGT for each Cyl and the fuel flow.
 
3.  Injected engines must perform the GAMI lean test before a "next step."  At 75% power (that means at or above 6500 MSL, 7500 if using ram air and KIAS is less than 190, or higher), WOT (necessary to control air distribution when running LOP) . 
    a. Starting sufficiently ROP, lean in small steps (less than .3 gph) and record the EGT for each step for Cyl 1.  Continue past peak EGT for that Cyl for about 50F degrees LOP or until ugly roughness.
    b. repeat "a" for each cylinder.
    c. Check the gph for each cyl peak EGT.  If the spread in .3 gph or less, you are done and you should be able to run LOP 20F, 30F, 40F depending on the spread).
 
4.  If the spread is GT .3 gph,  you must fix the A/F ratio.  A cheap way to start is to provide equal air pressure to each injector - a wee plenum distribution to each shrouded injector) and repeat the Lean Test.
 
5.  if the lean test shows the proper spread, go fly LOP (less than 75% power)...................
 
6. If the lean test fails (GT .3 gph spread), consider different sized injector nozzles (either GAMI or others) for the rich/lean cyls.
 
Grayhawk can fly a 320 at 8500 MSL, ROP, 9.5 gph and see 195 KTAS or LOP, 7.5 gph and 186 KTAS (all things being equal) thus eliminating a fuel stop at 3.5 hours cause he could go another hour. 195 x 3.5 = 683, 186 x 4.5 = 837, 837/195 = 4.3 + 1 (re-fuel stop time) = 5.3  Duh!
 
Grayhawk
 
In a message dated 8/24/2009 2:40:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Tim@5000feet.com writes:
Hey guys, I am remembering a long time ago reading about
how the air pressure surrounding the injector can affect how
well the injector works.  If I'm not mistaken, turbocharged
engines even use some pressure manifold around the injector
to accommodate for the increased Manifold Pressure.

What gets me curious is that I'm having a discussion with some
folks right now who are all having problems running Lean of Peak
and their engines stumble before they get to peak EGT. Between
the group, there are a variety of ignitions such as 2 mags
or 1 lightspeed and one mag, and varieties such as 8.5:1,
9:1, and 10:1 compression ratios, but the one constant is that
they all have what is purported to be a more effective cowl...
the Sam James cowl with a plenum.  So I'm wondering if the
knowledge base some of you have would provide any insight
to the issue. I originally was worried that the 10:1 pistons
might make LOP operation harder to accomplish, but perhaps
there is just too much air pressure on the outside of the
injector?  The cowl is known to often have too little exit
area, so it could be that the pressure differential is
even too high between the top and bottom half of the
cowl.

Any insight you can give?
Thanks,
Tim

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