X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 21:28:55 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.123] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.14) with ESMTP id 3687339 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 18 Jun 2009 16:11:23 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=75.180.132.123; envelope-from=super_chipmunk@roadrunner.com Received: from Laptop ([74.75.176.139]) by cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com with SMTP id <20090618201047576.JDDA4077@cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com> for ; Thu, 18 Jun 2009 20:10:47 +0000 X-Original-Message-ID: <504ECBF8D8594796BD0B3711CBFD5D9A@Laptop> From: "Bill Wade" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [LML] Re: life time of components in experimentals X-Original-Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 15:45:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00DF_01C9F02B.CA025420" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00DF_01C9F02B.CA025420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jeff- The FAR's don't contain that information. I may have overstated = the situation however my operating limitations dated 6/2/99 require an = Annual Inspection IAW Appendix D, Part 43. It can only be performed by = an A&P or Repair Station. In practice my IA has always signed off on = work that I've done and we've filed numerous 337's. Excessive? Perhaps, = but until the FAA ruined the approval process it worked for all = concerned. However, 8130.2F CHG3 (the latest iteration that I have) Section 9, = 153 Issuance of Experimental Amateur-built Operating Limitations states: (22) No person must operate this aircraft unless within the preceding 12 = calendar months it has had a condition inspection performed in accordance with the scope and = detail of appendix D to part 43, or other FAA-approved programs, and was found to be in a condition for = safe operation. As part of the condition inspection, cockpit instruments must be appropriately marked = and needed placards installed in accordance with =C2=A7 91.9. In addition, system-essential controls must = be in good condition, securely mounted, clearly marked, and provide for ease of operation. This = inspection will be recorded in the aircraft maintenance records. (26) An experimental aircraft builder certificated as a repairman for = this aircraft under =C2=A7 65.104 or an appropriately rated FAA-certificated mechanic may perform the = condition inspection required by these operating limitations. These requirements are a part of all Experimental operating = limitations. From my point of view an A&P or the holder of the = Repairman's Certificate (the original builder) will have to sign off on = any work done sooner or later. In support of your argument, (19) states = that the "aircraft owner" notifies the appropriate FSDO if any major = change is performed and fills out a revised 8130-6 Application for US = Airworthiness Certificate. I can't say what a FSDO might do at that = point though. -Bill Wade ----- Original Message -----=20 From: vtailjeff@aol.com=20 To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 9:08 AM Subject: [LML] Re: life time of components in experimentals=20 Bill, Could you cite the regulation or Advisory Circular that says if you = did not build it (an experimental aircraft) any subsequent work has to = be approved ( I presume an A&P signoff)? Part 43 specifies who may = maintain an aircraft. 43.1 exempts experimental aircraft from the rest = of the rquirements of Part 43 except for aircraft that have had other = airworthiness certificates previously issued (your Chipmunk).=20 I am not aware of any requirement by the FAA that requires non = builders of experimental aircraft have an A&P do the work, supervise the = work or sign off the work. Best Regards, Jeff Edwards ------=_NextPart_000_00DF_01C9F02B.CA025420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Jeff-
       = The FAR's=20 don't contain that information. I may have overstated the situation = however my=20 operating limitations dated 6/2/99 require an Annual Inspection IAW = Appendix D,=20 Part 43. It can only be performed by an A&P or Repair Station. In = practice=20 my IA has always signed off on work that I've done and we've filed = numerous=20 337's. Excessive? Perhaps, but until the FAA ruined the approval process = it=20 worked for all concerned.
 
  However, = 8130.2F CHG3 (the latest=20 iteration that I have) Section 9, 153 Issuance of Experimental=20 Amateur-built Operating Limitations states:

(22) No person = must=20 operate this aircraft unless within the preceding 12 calendar months it = has

had a condition inspection performed in accordance with = the scope=20 and detail of appendix D to part 43,

or other FAA-approved programs, and was found to be in a = condition=20 for safe operation. As part of the

condition inspection, cockpit instruments must be = appropriately=20 marked and needed placards installed in

accordance with =C2=A7 91.9. In addition, = system-essential controls=20 must be in good condition, securely

mounted, clearly marked, and provide for ease of = operation. This=20 inspection will be recorded in the

aircraft maintenance records.

(26) An experimental aircraft builder certificated = as a=20 repairman for this aircraft under =C2=A7 65.104

or an appropriately rated FAA-certificated mechanic may = perform=20 the condition inspection required by

these operating limitations.

  These requirements are a part of all = Experimental=20 operating limitations. From my point of view an A&P or the = holder of=20 the Repairman's Certificate (the original builder) will have to sign off = on any=20 work done sooner or later. In support of your argument, (19) states that = the=20 "aircraft owner" notifies the appropriate FSDO if any major change is = performed=20 and fills out a revised 8130-6 Application for US Airworthiness=20 Certificate. I can't say what a FSDO might do at that point = though.  =20 -Bill Wade
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 vtailjeff@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 = 9:08=20 AM
Subject: [LML] Re: life time of = components in experimentals

Bill,

Could you cite the regulation or Advisory = Circular=20 that says if you did not build it (an experimental aircraft) any = subsequent=20 work has to be approved ( I presume an A&P signoff)?  Part 43 = specifies who may maintain an aircraft. 43.1 exempts experimental = aircraft=20 from the rest of the rquirements of Part 43 except for aircraft that = have had=20 other airworthiness certificates previously issued (your Chipmunk). =

I=20 am not aware of any requirement by the FAA that requires non builders = of=20 experimental aircraft have an A&P do the work, supervise the work = or sign=20 off the work.

Best Regards,

Jeff=20 Edwards


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