X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 09:08:53 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.68] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.14) with ESMTP id 3686444 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 17 Jun 2009 23:44:54 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.86.89.68; envelope-from=colyncase@earthlink.net DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=VGuypWYGFQ0lbSeoZ/Ela9lrpjovuO1OaqWBD+GV401dCHlD/NuvBv+aR98aHIX5; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [216.57.118.63] (helo=ccaselt3) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1MH8Xy-0001lR-DR for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 17 Jun 2009 23:44:18 -0400 X-Original-Message-ID: <0cdf01c9efc7$0ecdd2b0$6701a8c0@nvidia.com> From: "Colyn Case at earthlink" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: Subject: Re: [LML] IV-P Kit For Sale X-Original-Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 23:44:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0CDC_01C9EFA5.873416F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-ELNK-Trace: 63d5d3452847f8b1d6dd28457998182d7e972de0d01da9400d8dc08314202a368cfc11ede6aaa815350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 216.57.118.63 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0CDC_01C9EFA5.873416F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Bill, I remember talking to you in 2004 or so. I think you are making the right decision. My airplane (IV-P) first = flew in January 2007 and it is IMO still not airworthy. It was "complete" in 2004 so I've been running 5 years on this project = and still a ways to go. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: marv@lancair.net=20 To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 6:58 PM Subject: [LML] IV-P Kit For Sale Posted for "Bill George" : LANCAIR IV-P KIT FOR SALE =20 It is with great regret that I feel it is time to get on with my = flying life by selling my kit and buying a flying airplane. I was 72 in December, = and according to Sky Smith, it is no longer possible to get insurance for = a pressurized airplane if you are over 70. Also, since I have been = retired for a number of years, I don't know how I could afford the engine/prop/instrument panel on my income. =20 I purchased the kit in September of 1996. It is an "old" fastbuild = kit serial number LIV-329FB-P. =20 I have done almost all the work myself, and I would be willing to put = my backside and all attached parts in this project. So I don't have to = recover very much "paid help" time. I did hire Jerry Parks to do the wing to fuselage mating at his shop in Redmond. He also worked firewall to = new fastbuild type (glass to glass areas for mounting hardware). =20 =20 =20 If you have any questions, please feel free to call or e-mail me. I = have additional photos, but these are the ones I took at the request of a previous interested buyer.=20 =20 =20 I will try to explain what I have completed according to the builders manual index to chapters. =20 Chapter 2 - Horizontal Stabilizer - Complete, except for elevator counterweight closeout area (BL 62). =20 Chapter 3 - Elevators - Closed, Trim Tab - Fitted, but not complete. = Trim Servo Mount completed (Alternate Method from Lancair News N/L) Counterbalancing - Weight installed prior to closing. Elevator/Stab counterweight interface NOT DONE. Elevator Travel Stops - NOT DONE =20 Chapter 5 - Main Wing Spar Closeout - As Completed at Factory =20 Chapter 6 - Wing Construction - Left Wing - Extended fuel to BL 171, = using Winglets Hole drilled for fuel pickup, pickup NOT installed = (I have both 3/8"& =BD" screen pickups) Electrical Conduit installed in leading edge like = later fast build kit. - Complete Tiedown Done - New fast build location =20 Chapter 6 - Wing Construction - Right Wing Some Fuel vents completed, holes for electrical conduit drilled in leading edge ribs, conduit bonded in, close out spars cut & fitted, not bonded in. =20 Chapter 7 & 8 - Flaps & Ailerons I purchased the fast build ailerons & flaps from Lancair, spent a week in their build shop to install them. They are substantially installed, but not complete. No instructions are = included for this. Bottom wing skins have been trimmed in the flap area as in new = FB. =20 Chapter 12 - Firewall & Bulkheads - This chapter is a mixed bag of = slow build & FB instructions. =20 Chapter 16 - Wing Mating to Fuselage - Done by Jerry Parks =20 I have pictures, and can take more digital pictures to show whatever = you like. I can also scan in Construction Manual pages if you have = particular questions. =20 As far as parts, ALL Lancair supplied standard parts are included. =20 Options that I have bought over the years are as follows: =20 1) High Energy Brake System (Lancair) 2) Annuniciator panel - Jim Franz (Proprietary Software Systems) 3) AOA PRO System - Jim Franz (Proprietary Software Systems) 4) Fuel/Water Separator (Lancair) 5) Locking Fuel Caps (Lancair) 6) Electric Speed Brakes - Bill Maddox (Superior Aircraft Systems) 7) Static Wick Kit - Bill Maddox (Superior Aircraft Systems) 8) Winglets (VOR Antennas Installed) (Purchased from Walter Dodson) 9) 12' Fuel probes & Fuel Gauge (Vision MicroSystems) 10) Nose gear strut up to date as of 11/01/06 =20 Setting a price is very difficult. I would like to recover my entire investment (approximately $116,000), but I know that is not possible. = The price I have established is a starting point. Feel free to suggest what you are = willing to pay for it. Remember the new price from Lancair is $129,900, and = wing mating, fire wall prep, Fastbuild Vertical Stab/Rudder and = flaps/ailerons that are part of the "new" fastbuild cost me $17,000. =20 So my initial asking price for everything is $87,000. If you don't = want the fixtures, deduct $2,000. I am open to discussion. =20 =20 The following fixtures are available as well but are very heavy, will = be very costly to ship: Tables - (4) 8 feet x 30 inches Wing Cradles Fuselage rotation jig (built to Bob Pastusek's design) =20 Buyer pays all shipping costs. =20 =20 =20 William L. (Bill) George 8820 Rock Creek Road Placerville, CA 95667bgeorge49@gmail.com 530-642-8063 530-306-1922 (Cell) =20 =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- -- For archives and unsub = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html ------=_NextPart_000_0CDC_01C9EFA5.873416F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Bill,
I remember talking to you in 2004 or=20 so.
I think you are making the right=20 decision.   My airplane (IV-P) first flew in January 2007 and = it is=20 IMO still not airworthy.
It was "complete" in 2004 so I've been = running 5=20 years on this project and still a ways to go.
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 marv@lancair.net=20
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 = 6:58=20 PM
Subject: [LML] IV-P Kit For = Sale

Posted for "Bill = George" <bgeorge49@gmail.com>:

L= ANCAIR=20 IV-P KIT FOR SALE
 
 It is with great regret that I = feel it is=20 time to get on with my flying life
 by selling my kit and = buying a=20 flying airplane. I was 72 in December, and
 according to Sky = Smith, it=20 is no longer possible to get insurance for a
 pressurized = airplane if=20 you are over 70. Also, since I have been retired for
 a number = of=20 years, I don=92t know how I could afford = the
 engine/prop/instrument=20 panel on my income.
 
 I purchased the kit in = September of=20 1996. It is an "old" fastbuild kit
 serial number=20 LIV-329FB-P.
 
 I have done almost all the work = myself, and I=20 would be willing to put my
 backside and all attached parts in = this=20 project. So I don't have to recover
 very much "paid help" = time. I did=20 hire Jerry Parks to do the wing to
 fuselage mating at his = shop in=20 Redmond. He also worked firewall to new
 fastbuild type (glass = to=20 glass areas for mounting=20 = hardware).
 
 
      &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;          
 I= f=20 you have any questions, please feel free to call or e-mail me. I=20 have
 additional photos, but these are the ones I took at the = request=20 of a
 previous interested buyer.
 
  =
 I will=20 try to explain what I have completed according to the=20 builders
 manual
 index to=20 chapters.
 
 Chapter 2 - Horizontal Stabilizer - = Complete,=20 except for elevator
 counterweight closeout area (BL=20 62).
 
 Chapter 3 - Elevators =96 Closed, Trim Tab - = Fitted, but=20 not complete. Trim
 Servo Mount completed
  (Alternate = Method=20 from Lancair News N/L)
  Counterbalancing - Weight installed = prior to=20 closing.
 Elevator/Stab counterweight interface NOT=20 = DONE.
          &nbs= p;      =20 Elevator Travel Stops - NOT DONE
 
 Chapter 5 - Main = Wing Spar=20 Closeout =96 As Completed at Factory
 
 Chapter 6 - = Wing=20 Construction =96 Left Wing - Extended fuel to BL 171,=20 = using
 Winglets
       &nbs= p;           =20 Hole drilled for fuel pickup, pickup NOT installed (I
 have = both=20 3/8=94& =BD=94 screen=20 = pickups)
          &= nbsp;        =20 Electrical Conduit installed in leading edge like later
 fast = build=20 kit. -=20 = Complete
          &= nbsp;        =20 Tiedown Done - New fast build location
 
 Chapter 6 - = Wing=20 Construction - Right Wing
  Some Fuel vents completed, holes = for=20 electrical conduit
 drilled in leading edge ribs, conduit = bonded in,=20 close
 out spars cut & fitted, not bonded in.
 =20
 Chapter 7 & 8 =96 Flaps & Ailerons
  I = purchased the=20 fast build ailerons & flaps from
 Lancair, spent a week in = their=20 build shop to install them. They are
 substantially installed, = but not=20 complete. No instructions are included for
 this. Bottom wing = skins=20 have been trimmed in the flap area as in new = FB.
 
 Chapter 12=20 - Firewall & Bulkheads =96 This chapter is a mixed bag of=20 slow
 build & FB instructions.
 
 Chapter = 16 =96=20 Wing Mating to Fuselage - Done by Jerry Parks
 
 I = have=20 pictures, and can take more digital pictures to show whatever=20 you
 like. I can also scan in Construction Manual pages if you = have=20 particular
 questions.
 
 As far as parts, ALL = Lancair=20 supplied standard parts are included.
 
 Options that = I have=20 bought over the years are as follows:
 
 1) High = Energy Brake=20 System (Lancair)
 2) Annuniciator panel - Jim Franz = (Proprietary=20 Software Systems)
 3) AOA PRO System - Jim Franz (Proprietary = Software=20 Systems)
 4) Fuel/Water Separator (Lancair)
 5) = Locking Fuel=20 Caps (Lancair)
 6) Electric Speed Brakes - Bill Maddox = (Superior=20 Aircraft Systems)
 7) Static Wick Kit - Bill Maddox (Superior = Aircraft=20 Systems)
 8) Winglets (VOR Antennas Installed) (Purchased from = Walter=20 Dodson)
 9) 12' Fuel probes & Fuel Gauge (Vision=20 MicroSystems)
 10) Nose gear strut up to date as of=20 11/01/06
 
 Setting a price is very difficult. I would = like to=20 recover my entire
 investment (approximately $116,000), but I = know=20 that is not possible. The
 price I have
 established = is a=20 starting point. Feel free to suggest what you are willing
 to = pay for=20 it. Remember the new price from Lancair is $129,900, and = wing
 mating,=20 fire wall prep, Fastbuild Vertical Stab/Rudder and=20 flaps/ailerons
 that are part of the =93new=94 fastbuild cost = me=20 $17,000.
 
 So my initial asking price for everything = is=20 $87,000. If you don't want the
 fixtures, deduct $2,000. I am = open to=20 discussion.
 
 
 The following fixtures are = available=20 as well but are very heavy, will be
 very costly to=20 ship:
 Tables - (4) 8 feet x 30 inches
 Wing=20 Cradles
Fuselage rotation jig (built to Bob Pastusek=92s=20 design)
 
 Buyer pays all shipping=20 costs.
 
 
 
 William L. (Bill)=20 George
 8820 Rock Creek Road
 Placerville,=20 = CA  95667bgeorge49@gmail.com
 530-642-8063
 530= -306-1922=20 (Cell)
 
 

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