X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 21:20:57 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mail-out1.fuse.net ([216.68.8.175] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.13) with ESMTP id 3600081 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 28 Apr 2009 20:52:31 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=216.68.8.175; envelope-from=dreagan@fuse.net X-Original-Return-Path: X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=uihfKTiAtQgA:10 a=ybF3AD-BMgsA:10 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=2KxVmLDjAAAA:8 a=nkxTFWYMI2P9ZnVYNRcA:9 a=vgEqO9QLmUR1X4u-o-Volm8g8zQA:4 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=weayJwiuG0EA:10 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=bwTduBXx0tYfyrcmjLwA:9 a=7N6akzE6Jgq5Qbr-ab4A:7 a=qn1I_Wj950aivdFthfOaaWpj9RAA:4 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: gwout1 smtp.mail=dreagan@fuse.net; spf=unknown Received-SPF: error (gwout1: 208.102.199.129 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fuse.net Received: from [208.102.199.129] ([208.102.199.129:50260] helo=D45LWMF1) by gwout1 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.37 r(28805/28810M)) with ESMTP id 5A/BE-00073-CA4A7F94; Tue, 28 Apr 2009 20:51:57 -0400 X-Original-Message-ID: <006701c9c864$9b5d0820$5e01a8c0@D45LWMF1> From: "Dan Reagan" X-Original-To: , "John Hafen" References: Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Landing distance for a IVP ? X-Original-Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 20:51:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0064_01C9C843.14195BA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01C9C843.14195BA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [LML] Re: Landing distance for a IVP ?I have 600 hours and I still = sweat the 3,000 ft runway. Dan Reagan IVP ----- Original Message -----=20 From: John Hafen=20 To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 8:00 AM Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Landing distance for a IVP ? Brent: =20 You prove yourself a stud once again, by the precision with which you = describe a minimum landing distance - 2200 feet, lots of practice, 1,000 = landings, positive contact on the first brick at exactly 90 kts. I remember my first landing in a IVP. I think it took 14,000 feet. = I'm down to about 3k feet now. I like your rule: "Never land on anything shorter than you have = already demonstrated CONSISTENTLY on a longer field" (and I will add) = "In case you screw up!" Many thanks. John Hafen LIV4-P N413AJ 113 hours and still sweating the landings on a 3,000 = foot runway! On 4/23/09 5:40 PM, "Brent Regan" wrote: John asks: << What do you guys use as far as personal minimums in runway length = when landing your IV's?>>> Home base for me (6ID1) is 2,200' x 40, 2,720 MSL. Due to terrain, = landing is to the east and slightly uphill. Usually there is a 3-5 Kt = tail wind. Landings can be accomplished in 1,400 to 1,800 feet under = these conditions BUT it requires a LOT of practice. For me it took 500 = hours in type and over 1,000 landings before I could consistently nail = my intended landing spot at the needed speed (90 Kts). Also, forget = about greasers, these are firm "positive contact" landings that I warn = my passengers about.=20 My first landing in a IV-P was on a 6,000' x 100' field and I needed = 5,500' of it.=20 There are several Lancairs including at least 2 IVs at KPAO which is = 2400 feet and at sea level. As a rule, never land on anything shorter than you have already = demonstrated CONSISTENTLY on a longer field.=20 You can land on short fields the same way you get to Carnegie = Hall......... Practice, Practice, Practice. Regards Brent Regan ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01C9C843.14195BA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [LML] Re: Landing distance for a IVP ?
I have 600 hours and I still sweat the = 3,000 ft=20 runway.
 
Dan Reagan
IVP
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 John Hafen=20
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 = 8:00=20 AM
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Landing = distance=20 for a IVP ?

Brent:  

You prove yourself a = stud once=20 again, by the precision with which you describe a minimum landing = distance =97=20 2200 feet, lots of practice, 1,000 landings, positive contact on the = first=20 brick at exactly 90 kts.

I remember my first landing in a IVP. =  I=20 think it took 14,000 feet.  I=92m down to about 3k feet = now.

I like=20 your rule:  =93Never land on anything shorter than you have = already=20 demonstrated CONSISTENTLY on a longer field=94 (and I will add) =93In = case you=20 screw up!=94

Many thanks.

John Hafen
LIV4-P N413AJ =  113=20 hours and still sweating the landings on a 3,000 foot = runway!


On=20 4/23/09 5:40 PM, "Brent Regan" <brent@regandesigns.com>=20 wrote:
John asks:
<< What do you guys use = as far as=20 personal minimums in runway length when landing your = IV=92s?>>>

Home = base for=20 me (6ID1) is 2,200' x 40, 2,720 MSL. Due to terrain, landing is to = the east=20 and slightly uphill. Usually there is a 3-5 Kt tail wind. Landings = can be=20 accomplished in 1,400 to 1,800 feet under these conditions BUT it = requires a=20 LOT of practice. For me it took 500 hours in type and over 1,000 = landings=20 before I could consistently nail my intended landing spot at the = needed=20 speed (90 Kts).  Also, forget about greasers, these are firm = "positive=20 contact" landings that I warn my passengers about.

My first = landing=20 in a IV-P was on a 6,000' x 100' field and I needed 5,500' of it.=20

There are several Lancairs including at least 2 IVs at KPAO = which is=20 2400 feet and at sea level.

As a rule, never land on anything = shorter=20 than you have already demonstrated CONSISTENTLY on a longer field.=20

You can land on short fields the same way you get to = Carnegie=20 Hall......... Practice, Practice, Practice.

Regards
Brent=20 = Regan




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