X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 08:00:43 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.24] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.13) with ESMTP id 3597706 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 26 Apr 2009 22:49:52 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=76.96.30.24; envelope-from=j.hafen@comcast.net Received: from OMTA01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.11]) by QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id kRv81b00G0EPchoA2SpHfV; Mon, 27 Apr 2009 02:49:17 +0000 Received: from [10.0.1.3] ([98.247.30.133]) by OMTA01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id kSot1b0072sKoey8MSpGZE; Mon, 27 Apr 2009 02:49:17 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.15.0.081119 X-Original-Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 20:06:18 -0700 Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Landing distance for a IVP ? From: John Hafen X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List X-Original-Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [LML] Re: Landing distance for a IVP ? Thread-Index: AcnEiaLwyv3Hi/GlEEmlGuxRns9CXA== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3323620156_203026" > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3323620156_203026 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Brent: =20 You prove yourself a stud once again, by the precision with which you describe a minimum landing distance =8B 2200 feet, lots of practice, 1,000 landings, positive contact on the first brick at exactly 90 kts. I remember my first landing in a IVP. I think it took 14,000 feet. I=B9m down to about 3k feet now. I like your rule: =B3Never land on anything shorter than you have already demonstrated CONSISTENTLY on a longer field=B2 (and I will add) =B3In case you screw up!=B2 Many thanks. John Hafen LIV4-P N413AJ 113 hours and still sweating the landings on a 3,000 foot runway! On 4/23/09 5:40 PM, "Brent Regan" wrote: > John asks: > << What do you guys use as far as personal minimums in runway length when > landing your IV=B9s?>>> >=20 > Home base for me (6ID1) is 2,200' x 40, 2,720 MSL. Due to terrain, landin= g is > to the east and slightly uphill. Usually there is a 3-5 Kt tail wind. Lan= dings > can be accomplished in 1,400 to 1,800 feet under these conditions BUT it > requires a LOT of practice. For me it took 500 hours in type and over 1,0= 00 > landings before I could consistently nail my intended landing spot at the > needed speed (90 Kts). Also, forget about greasers, these are firm "posi= tive > contact" landings that I warn my passengers about. >=20 > My first landing in a IV-P was on a 6,000' x 100' field and I needed 5,50= 0' of > it.=20 >=20 > There are several Lancairs including at least 2 IVs at KPAO which is 2400= feet > and at sea level. >=20 > As a rule, never land on anything shorter than you have already demonstra= ted > CONSISTENTLY on a longer field. >=20 > You can land on short fields the same way you get to Carnegie Hall.......= .. > Practice, Practice, Practice. >=20 > Regards > Brent Regan >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 --B_3323620156_203026 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [LML] Re: Landing distance for a IVP ? Brent:  

You prove yourself a stud once again, by the precision with which you descr= ibe a minimum landing distance — 2200 feet, lots of practice, 1,000 la= ndings, positive contact on the first brick at exactly 90 kts.

I remember my first landing in a IVP.  I think it took 14,000 feet. &n= bsp;I’m down to about 3k feet now.

I like your rule:  “Never land on anything shorter than you have= already demonstrated CONSISTENTLY on a longer field” (and I will add)= “In case you screw up!”

Many thanks.

John Hafen
LIV4-P N413AJ  113 hours and still sweating the landings on a 3,000 fo= ot runway!


On 4/23/09 5:40 PM, "Brent Regan" <brent@regandesigns.com> wrote:

<= SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:11pt'>John asks:
<< What= do you guys use as far as personal minimums in runway length when landing y= our IV’s?>&g= t;>

Home base for me (6ID1) is 2,200' x 40, 2,720 MSL. Due to terrain, landing = is to the east and slightly uphill. Usually there is a 3-5 Kt tail wind. Lan= dings can be accomplished in 1,400 to 1,800 feet under these conditions BUT = it requires a LOT of practice. For me it took 500 hours in type and over 1,0= 00 landings before I could consistently nail my intended landing spot at the= needed speed (90 Kts).  Also, forget about greasers, these are firm &q= uot;positive contact" landings that I warn my passengers about.

My first landing in a IV-P was on a 6,000' x 100' field and I needed 5,500'= of it.

There are several Lancairs including at least 2 IVs at KPAO which is 2400 f= eet and at sea level.

As a rule, never land on anything shorter than you have already demonstrate= d CONSISTENTLY on a longer field.

You can land on short fields the same way you get to Carnegie Hall.........= Practice, Practice, Practice.

Regards
Brent Regan




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