X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 07:51:27 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.122] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.13) with ESMTP id 3581807 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 15 Apr 2009 07:35:39 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=75.180.132.122; envelope-from=super_chipmunk@roadrunner.com Received: from Laptop ([74.75.176.139]) by cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com with SMTP id <20090415113500558.RUMM9765.cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com> for ; Wed, 15 Apr 2009 11:35:00 +0000 X-Original-Message-ID: <0A6CF0C610AF4E1088EDFFBFD6F62D1F@Laptop> From: "Bill Wade" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Upholstery Backing Plates X-Original-Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 07:35:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A4_01C9BD9C.AF85F730" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A4_01C9BD9C.AF85F730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Once upon a time I took a weekend course in upholstery from = Alexander's. They used a thin plastic material as backing- "Royalite" = sticks in my mind. That's made by Spartech and comes in aviation grade = fire- rated (perhaps overkill in a plastic plane). The interior panels = used for my Navion were extruded plastic- an array of box sections- = strong, stiff and very light, about the thickness of cardboard for = boxes. They were used by a shop with FAA certification- the invoice just = mentions "poly board" and the cost was very reasonable- $30 for all the = side panels. If you're gluing material directly to the backing sheet any underlying = flaws or texture will telegraph through, especially with vinyl or = leather. For that reason I'd suggest buying material from an upholstery = shop instead of making your own. OTOH you could put duct tape on the = console and layup a few BID to make a shell that you could then = upholster and reinstall. Maybe make it a bit oversize to allow for the = material wrapped around the edges. If necessary a thin layer of foam = rubber would mask any bumps. I'd say 2 or 3 BID might be enough to hold = the shape- the strength would come from the underlying structure and you = could add more layers if it initially was too weak. -Bill Wade ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bryan Wullner=20 To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 9:26 PM Subject: [LML] Re: Upholstery Backing Plates Im not sure if you care to do this but the company that upholstered my = lancair used layered cardboard for areas that needed a backing. Its = pretty stiff once they glue a couple layers together. Then they wrap the = foam and leather over these parts. On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 6:06 PM, wrote: Guys - There are some places in my airplane where I want to take a sheet of = fiberglass BID, have that upholstered, and mechanically fasten that = upholstered sheet to the airplane. This would be in lieu of just gluing = the leather to the interior. How many BID do I need to make a piece that is strong enough? = 3-BID, 4-BID, or even 6-BID??? The places that come to mind are the sides of the console (between = the seats) and the top of the console. So some of the pieces are tiny = (postcard or business envelope sized) and some are medium sized (12 x 24 = inches). - Rob Wo -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- Get the scoop on the live music scene in your area and hit a show = tonight. Check out TourTracker.com!=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00A4_01C9BD9C.AF85F730 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
   Once upon a time I = took a weekend=20 course in upholstery from Alexander's. They used a thin plastic material = as=20 backing- "Royalite" sticks in my mind. That's made by Spartech and comes = in=20 aviation grade fire- rated (perhaps overkill in a plastic plane). The = interior=20 panels used for my Navion were extruded plastic- an array of box = sections-=20 strong, stiff and very light, about the thickness of cardboard for = boxes. They=20 were used by a shop with FAA certification- the invoice just mentions = "poly=20 board" and the cost was very reasonable- $30 for all the side=20 panels.
 
  If you're gluing material = directly to=20 the backing sheet any underlying flaws or texture will telegraph = through,=20 especially with vinyl or leather. For that reason I'd suggest buying = material=20 from an upholstery shop instead of making your own. OTOH you could = put duct=20 tape on the console and layup a few BID to make a shell that you = could then=20 upholster and reinstall. Maybe make it a bit oversize to allow for = the=20 material wrapped around the edges. If necessary a thin layer = of foam=20 rubber would mask any bumps. I'd say 2 or 3 BID might be enough to = hold the=20 shape- the strength would come from the underlying structure and you = could add=20 more layers if it initially was too weak.  -Bill Wade
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bryan = Wullner=20
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 = 9:26=20 PM
Subject: [LML] Re: Upholstery = Backing=20 Plates

Im not sure if you care to do this but the company that = upholstered my lancair used layered cardboard for areas that needed a = backing.=20 Its pretty stiff once they glue a couple layers together. Then they = wrap the=20 foam and leather over these parts.



On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 6:06 PM, <rwolf99@aol.com> = wrote:
Guys -

There are some places in my airplane = where I=20 want to take a sheet of fiberglass BID, have that upholstered, = and=20 mechanically fasten that upholstered sheet to the airplane.  = This would=20 be in lieu of just gluing the leather to the interior.

How = many BID=20 do I need to make a piece that is strong enough?  3-BID, 4-BID, = or even=20 6-BID???

The places that come to mind are the sides of the = console=20 (between the seats) and the top of the console.  So some of the = pieces=20 are tiny (postcard or business envelope sized) and some are medium = sized (12=20 x 24 inches).

- Rob Wo

Get the scoop on the live music scene in your area and hit a show = tonight.=20 Check out TourTracker.com!=20

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