X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 21:53:21 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com ([209.85.198.229] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.13) with ESMTP id 3549668 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 21:43:10 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.198.229; envelope-from=vonjet@gmail.com Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b25so3213725rvf.7 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 18:42:33 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=Uy27eeJUkhQ2DqyHYx1uMGtXcV++kehaaZGUOsBhkefzarl+l7+2sx9enF3ckS38wn 0+cpoFV2rmPpfS0mMUi2Y5tfYvdj24OZkjuBZhk0TzGrDPAxe3MyDKFodcKJZXkgXmXA iA4yN25w+UdQLUE5hWnpSkXxhFUEiNYepXhYQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.84.21 with SMTP id m21mr2400369rvl.98.1237254153454; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 18:42:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: X-Original-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 18:42:33 -0700 X-Original-Message-ID: Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Seatbelts in Lancair 360 From: Bryan Wullner X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd175065043df046546aed8 --000e0cd175065043df046546aed8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I thought I would send this to the list so anyone in my situation, or soon to be in, will have the info that I dug up today.As far as Harnesses go for the Lancair 320/360 and Legacy's. These are the best options for quality, function and appearance I have found so far. Crow Harnesses: http://www.crowenterprizes.com/ make custom ones for you that will fit in your airplane with a rotary buckle. Even though they don't show a single crotch strap you can get them that way. They are very inexpensive but only come in basic colors. Black, blue, red, gray yellow? They DO NOT have inertia reels for these belts. Schroth, pronounced Shhh -Wrote, has an aviation division that wont give you a quote unless you put it in writing and even then I don't expect to ever hear back from them since I am not a company. The car versions are pretty good but they wont make one with a Y shoulder strap arrangement. They are also more expensive than Crow. Hooker: Scott at Hooker Harness has proved to be most helpful. After reading about Ron Brice's Legacy and how he had Hooker harness's I called Scott. They have a lot of colors for the webbing. They offer inertia reels and Y type shoulder harnesses. The 5 point harness with rotary buckle is $350 each without inertia reels and $500 each with inertia reels. I should mention, he says they only supply BLACK belts if you want their inertia reel. You can supply them with your own webbing but he said due to manufacturing tolerances he cant guarantee the webbing will fit their reel. ABI: www.aircraftbelts.com The make a fully custom harness with rotary buckle and inertia reels any color you need. These are very expensive at $1600 per set for the 5 point with reel and $975 per set without the reel. I am going with Hooker. Hope this was somewhat useful for some of you. Bryan Lancair 360 MKII N127EM (in final assembly) On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Art Bertolina wrote: > Bryan > I would think you would want that shoulder attach point on the aircraft > frame( if seat comes loss). There is a safety > report floating around that says the angel of the strap as > it comes over your shoulder should be between 17 and 30 > degrees( those numbers are about correct) above straight > back, to protect against compression of the Spin. > Art > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Bryan Wullner > *To:* lml@lancaironline.net > *Sent:* Sunday, March 15, 2009 3:54 PM > *Subject:* [LML] Seatbelts in Lancair 360 > > I am doing the interior on my 360 and originally I planned on using the > plans version of mounting the shoulder harnesses to the baggage bulkhead. I > am having second thoughts and want to get this sorted out quickly before my > interior is finished. I would like a 5 point rotary buckle system. Currently > I have it set up to have the shoulder harness be a "Y" and bolt to the rear > baggage bulkhead built in hardpoints per plans. This takes my seat belts > across the baggage area which could end up causing problems. I would like > to attach the harness to the seat back itself but I have a box on the pax > side that houses my hyd. pump and battery so it would make installation here > more difficult. I read an article that says Do Not mount them on the > ceiling. > Looking for ideas and advice. Also would like advice on where to get 5 > point harnesses. I dont want Ebay motors seatbelts. > > Bryan > > --000e0cd175065043df046546aed8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I thought I would send this to the list so anyone in my situation, or soon = to be in, will have the info that I dug up today.
As far as Harnesses g= o for the Lancair 320/360 and Legacy's. These are the best options for = quality, function and appearance I have found so far.=A0
Crow Harnesses:
= http://www.crowenterprizes.com/=A0make custom ones for you that will fi= t in your airplane with a rotary buckle. Even though they don't show a = single crotch strap you can get them that way. They are very inexpensive bu= t only come in basic colors. Black, blue, red, gray yellow? =A0They DO NOT = have inertia reels for these belts.

Schroth, pronounced Shhh -Wrote, has an aviation divisi= on that wont give you a quote unless you put it in writing and even then I = don't expect to ever hear back from them since I am not a company. =A0T= he car versions are pretty good but they wont make one with a Y shoulder st= rap arrangement. They are also more expensive than Crow.

Hooker: Scott at Hooker Harness has proved to be most h= elpful. After reading about Ron Brice's Legacy and how he had Hooker ha= rness's I called Scott. =A0They have a lot of colors for the webbing. T= hey offer inertia reels and Y type shoulder harnesses.=A0
The 5 point harness with rotary buckle is $350 each without inertia re= els and $500 each with inertia reels.
I should mention, he says t= hey only supply BLACK belts if you want their inertia reel. You can supply = them with your own webbing but he said due to manufacturing tolerances he c= ant guarantee the webbing will fit their reel.

ABI: www.aircr= aftbelts.com =A0The make a fully custom harness with rotary buckle and = inertia reels any color you need. =A0These are very expensive at $1600 per = set for the 5 point with reel and $975 per set without the reel.

I am going with Hooker. =A0Hope this was somewhat usefu= l for some of you.

Bryan
Lancair 360 MKI= I
N127EM (in final assembly)




On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Ar= t Bertolina <artbertolina@earthlink.net> wrote:
Bryan
I would think you would want that shou= lder attach=20 point on the aircraft frame( if seat comes loss). There is a safety=20
report floating around that says the a= ngel of the=20 strap as
it comes over your shoulder should be = between 17=20 and 30
degrees(=A0those numbers are about cor= rect)=20 above straight
back, to protect against compression o= f the=20 Spin.
Art=A0=A0=A0
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bryan Wullner=20
Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 3:54= =20 PM
Subject: [LML] Seatbelts in Lancair= =20 360

I am doing the interior on my 360 and originally I planned= on=20 using the plans version of mounting the shoulder harnesses to the baggage= =20 bulkhead. I am having second thoughts and want to get this sorted out qui= ckly=20 before my interior is finished. I would like a 5 point rotary buckle syst= em.=20 Currently I have it set up to have the shoulder harness be a "Y"= ; and bolt to=20 the rear baggage bulkhead built in hardpoints per plans. This takes my se= at=20 belts across the baggage area which could end up causing problems.=A0
I would like to attach the harness to the seat back itself but I hav= e a=20 box on the pax side that houses my hyd. pump and battery so it would make= =20 installation here more difficult. I read an article that says Do Not moun= t=20 them on the ceiling.=A0
Looking for ideas and advice. Also would like advice on where to get= 5=20 point harnesses. =A0I dont want Ebay motors seatbelts.

Bryan

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