X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:44:20 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from QMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.40] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.12) with ESMTP id 3488235 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 11 Feb 2009 13:39:31 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=76.96.30.40; envelope-from=j.hafen@comcast.net Received: from OMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.59]) by QMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Eegx1b01w1GXsucA4ietlA; Wed, 11 Feb 2009 18:38:53 +0000 Received: from [10.128.90.198] ([76.121.106.8]) by OMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Eieq1b00k0Atgzw8Tier9b; Wed, 11 Feb 2009 18:38:53 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.15.0.081119 X-Original-Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 10:38:49 -0800 Subject: Re: [LML] Re: cylinder wear-to lean or not too lean From: John Hafen X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List X-Original-Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [LML] Re: cylinder wear-to lean or not too lean Thread-Index: AcmMd/qXSuqzJAUTB02kMhfpFWJGDQ== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="EUC-KR" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable The quote came from Fred Moreno's post of 5 Feb (pasted in below). John On 2/10/09 10:32 AM, "John Schroeder" wrote: > John - >=20 > I probably missed a message or two in this thread. But where did this > quote come from? Max CHT is really not defineable in any useful or > practical sense at all. My CHT's are alarmed at 400 and from everything I > have read your do irreparable damage to the cylinder at around 425 degree= s > in an air-cooled aircraft engine. "Max CHT" may equate to "Max Power" in > some theroetical sense, but the concept is useless as an engine managemen= t > tool. >=20 > Regards, >=20 > John Schroeder > LNCE =20 Go to John Deakin=A1=AFs =A1=B0Pelican=A1=AFs Perch=A1=B1 series on line (http://www.avweb.com/news/pelican/182544-1.html ) and you will find a series of interesting articles on leaning derived from GAMI test results.? For the IO-550 he refers to a =A1=B0red box=A1=B1 and elsewhere talks about a =A1=B0red wedge=A1=B1 which shows the forbidden territory.? Above about 60-65% you can se= t mixture with impunity and do no damage according to his reports.? He does show you can lean at 80% power with this engine, but as I recall it must be 75-80F lean of peak.? I copied his tables and the picture of the red wedge and have them on my clip board in the airplane.? =20 Here is one version for maximum power (speed) at the higher altitudes (rich of peak).? For best economy you stay at 50F lean of peak at these higher altitude settings.? His columns explain his reasoning about what constitute= s =A1=B0optimum.=A1=B1? Briefly, if power is low enough to permit operation over a wi= de range of mixture settings (generally below 65%), operating a bit rich of peak burns a bit more fuel, but provides significantly more HP and speed compared to the pure economy case (50F lean of peak) so for best combinatio= n of speed and economy, run between the green lines.? (Being cheap, I run at best economy all the time, but you may be in a hurry.) =20 =20 and here is a version showing his recommended mixture management plotted on the chart.??=20 =20 =20 Clarification on mixture settings: =20 Best power is usually 75-150F rich of peak depending on the engine.? The curve in this region is relatively flat.? You can find it by climbing to cruise altitude, setting cruise power, and then starting rich, slowly lean until you get best speed.? Use the altitude hold on your autopilot to carefully control speed and make your changes slowly.? I recommend doing this at 8500 or above so that power will be at a nice cruise power setting. =20 Highly boosted engines run a lot richer than best power for take off for additional cooling and to prevent detonation when the cylinders are hot.? =20 Factory recommended setting (based on a lot of tradition and history before we had good instrumentation) is 50F rich of peak for many engines.? This turns out to be the worst place to operate for many engines, particularly a= t high power settings. ?But will the factory change its recommendation?? Nope.? It opens them to criticism that past advice may be wrong. =20 Best fuel economy (lowest brake specific fuel consumption) is about 50F lea= n of peak.?=20 =20 I have taken the liberty of copying some of Deakin=A1=AFs material below since = it is directly relevant to this discussion. ?I highlighted some key points.? Read carefully, or even better read his series of articles. ?It may take a couple of evenings to fully digest, but the education is worth it. =20 Fred Moreno =20 From: http://www.avweb.com/news/pelican/182084-1.html =20 =20 =20 =20 Now, please stop right here. DO NOT just skip over that chart, it's important. It looks a little complicated, because there are four parameters on one chart, and each needs to be understood. If you are not prepared to understand that chart, I don't think you can understand how to operate your engine properly, much less understand the rest of this column. Please take the time, right now, to follow me through on this chart! The entire chart represents data while running at 25.0 inches of manifold pressure and 2,500 RPM. Those are held constant =A1=AA only the mixture changes= . Please read the preceding paragraph again, it's VERY important. The only variable is the fuel flow, plotted across the bottom of the chart, and all four parameters are plotted against that fuel flow from 75 to 120 pounds per hour (PPH). This gives a lovely picture of the relationships. Note that "Richer" is again to the right on this chart (I could have swappe= d some of these charts left to right to make them all the same, but preferred to stick to "authentic.") The right side of the chart is not necessarily "Full Rich". For whatever reasons, TCM chose to show just the range of fuel flows from 75 to 120 PPH on this IO-550, while "full rich" at sea level is about 162 PPH The top curve shows EGT, aligned with the numbers on the right side, from a low of 1,350=A1=C6 at 75 PPH (lean), peaking at about 1,520=A1=C6 F at 95 PPH, and dropping again to 1,380=A1=C6 F at 120 PPH (rich). This is a classic EGT curve, and many of you will be familiar with it. There, now that's not so bad, is it? And you thought this chart was too complicated! Below that is the CHT curve, with the scale at the left. About 310=A1=C6 F at 7= 5 PPH (lean), peaking at about 425=A1=C6 F at 105 PPH, dropping again to about 40= 5=A1=C6 F at 120 PPH (rich). Note the CHT peaks at a substantially richer mixture than EGT. (In fact, you'll see that the hottest CHT occurs at the point where EGT is about 50=A1=C6 F rich of peak (ROP). Hmmm, where have we heard tha= t before?) The third trace from the top is "brake horsepower" (BHP), which we can just call "Power" as delivered to the shaft. The numbers for this trace are on the right, and our trace shows 180 HP at 75 PPH (lean), peak at about 250 H= P for fairly broad range of fuel flows, and drops only slightly to about 245 HP at 120 PPH (rich). Note that going all the way to "Full Rich" would produce a good deal more fuel flow and a good deal less power. Finally, the bottom curve depicts "Brake Specific Fuel Consumption" (BSFC). This fancy-sounding engineering term is nothing more than the fuel required to produce one horsepower (HP) for one hour. A useful trick to help you understand this chart is to lay a clear plastic ruler vertically on the chart. Keeping it vertically oriented, move it back and forth horizontally. As one end of the ruler moves over the fuel flow scale at the bottom of the page, the four curves will move up and down alon= g the ruler's straightedge, just as those parameters move up and down in the real world. Remember earlier, where I said we could lean a lot and only lose a little power? Well, this curve gives us a visual idea of how that works. At 75 PPH (lean), it takes about 0.425 pounds to produce one HP for one hour. In the range 85 to 95 PPH, less fuel is required: about 0.385 pounds of fuel. Enrich further to 120 PPH, and you'll be burning about 0.480 pounds of fuel to produce one HP for one hour. In this case, "less is better" if we're looking for economy. BSFC is a very useful term, as it is a direct indication of an engine's efficiency. Modern automobile engines, contrary t= o popular belief, are not very efficient, having BSFCs above 0.42 or so. They are designed to run very clean, however, and sacrifice some efficiency as a result. TCM engines can achieve BSFCs as low as 0.385 from the factory. Wit= h modifications, we're going to do better than that. Not too shabby for "Worl= d War II technology," as so many call it! Now, here's the crucial concept behind this chart: All four curves are carefully plotted with reference to the fuel flow scale at the bottom, and this gives us a lovely opportunity to look at the relationships between them! If you'd like to know what is happening to CHT as you fiddle with EGT= , the answer is here. For example, let's say we've leveled off in cruise, allowed things to settl= e down and it's time to lean, at whatever MP and RPM you choose. Starting fro= m full rich (perhaps well off the right side of this chart and due to the enrichment feature at full throttle), we start leaning. According to the chart, the EGT and CHT will rise, and we know this to be true from experience. The power rises only slightly. If you're going for absolute maximum altitude or speed, that very flat "peak" in the BHP curve that occurs around 105 to 110 PPH fuel flow will be helpful, and if you're makin= g a high-altitude takeoff, it will be very helpful. The BSFC is dropping as you lean, of course, you're getting "more efficient." So as the mixture is leaned, power peaks first, with CHT peaking at very close to the same point. In practical terms, if we lean to max CHT, we'll have max power for that MP/RPM setting. Doesn't that make sense, intuitively? Max power, max CHT? It's not precisely true, but it's close enough. Ok, so power peaks first, stays pretty flat, and then CHT peaks shortly thereafter. With continued leaning, power and CHT drop together =A1=AA very gradually at first, then progressively more steeply =A1=AA while BSFC continues to improve and EGT continues to rise. Continue leaning, and EGT peaks and begins to fall, while BSFC continues to improve. Sure, we're losing power, but fuel consumption is declining even faster, so our "economy" (as measured by BSFC) is still getting better. Finally, BSFC bottoms out (at "best economy mixture"), and stays pretty fla= t between 85 and 90 PPH. If we disregard the small difference between 0.385 and 0.400, we could even stretch the point a little, and say the BFSC curve is "kinda flat" between 85 and 100 PPH. Look immediately above at the HP curve, and note that for a small loss of fuel efficiency, we can pick up 25 to 30 HP? Isn't that interesting? We'll see later how that affects airplane performance and efficiency, a very different subject. But to make a long story short, if the power setting that results from optimizing engine efficiency causes your airplane drop below the airspeed range that provides optimum aerodynamic efficiency, you're not gaining anything! That's a whole 'nother can o' worms. (I feel another column coming on.) But What If We Change MP or RPM? Let's say we have carefully set up a real 65% of rated power, using the required MP/RPM, with the mixture leaned to Best Power. What would happen to this if we increased the MP and/or RPM, keeping the mixture constant at Best Power? More power to the shaft, right? Think about what this might do to that chart. Since the power moves up, all the curves must move up. Since the peak EGT will occur at a higher fuel flow, it must move to the right, and all the other traces will move right, too, to preserve the interrelationships. =20 >=20 > On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 00:50:05 -0500, John Hafen wrot= e: >=20 >> Here=A9=F6s the quote: >>=20 >> =A9=F8So as the mixture is leaned, power peaks first, with CHT peaking at ve= ry >> close to the same point. In practical terms, if we lean to max CHT, we'l= l >> have max power for that MP/RPM setting. Doesn't that make sense, >> intuitively? Max power, max CHT? It's not precisely true, but it's close >> enough.=A9=F7 >>=20 >> John >>=20 >>=20 >> On 2/8/09 11:23 AM, "Colyn Case at earthlink" >> wrote: >>=20 >>> John, >>> Did they really print that about CHT? >>> I don't remember that max CHT equates to anything useful although >>> it may >>> correlate very well to max internal cylinder pressure (ICP), which is a >>> bad >>> thing. ...but it's also affected by cylinder cooling, while EGT is >>> (mostly) >>> not. Max EGT would be stoichiometric which is most efficient if your >>> engine >>> can take it. Usually slightly rich of that (e.g. 50 dF ROP) is better >>> power >>> but also involves more pressure before top dead center and is close to >>> max >>> ICP. >>> There's a really scary picture you get early in the APS course >>> which shows >>> how the internal cylinder pressure varies in relation to crank position >>> when >>> you are running at "best power". A measurable amount of the combustion >>> expansion is actually pushing backwards on the crank until it comes >>> over the >>> top. Great for torsional stress. >>>=20 >>> Colyn >>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > -- > For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.ht= ml