X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 13:32:06 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [64.12.143.99] (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.12) with ESMTP id 3485781 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 10 Feb 2009 09:49:12 -0500 Received: from LenS790501@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id q.c61.40192ea2 (30737) for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2009 09:49:04 -0500 (EST) From: LenS790501@aol.com X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 09:49:04 EST Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Legacy damaged X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1234277344" X-Mailer: AOL 9.1 sub 5003 X-Spam-Flag:NO -------------------------------1234277344 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I had a similar experience to Matt's in my 360 last year returning from the=20= =20 Yuma Air Show. I was climbing out at about 2K ft when suddenly the canopy =20 opened. I have a strap that ties the canopy to the back of the frame above m= y =20 head. I reached for the strap and pulled down the canopy and my wife latched= it =20 closed. During the short period the canopy was open, I felt no difference i= n=20 the control of the plane. In fact, it didn't deviate from the climb at all.=20= =20 We continued on home to Tucson without incident. Len Spina =20 =20 In a message dated 2/9/2009 10:50:11 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, =20 Sky2high@aol.com writes: Paul, =20 Another interesting description. What would be the difference between your= =20 experiences and Alain's? =20 Scott Krueger =20 =20 In a message dated 2/8/2009 1:24:14 P.M. Central Standard Time, =20 paulhershorin@bellsouth.net writes: I left my canopy open one day with my wife in the palne (360) and took=20 off--realized that the canopy was open--pulled the latch up and the force o= f the=20 air pushed the canopy down--I latched the capony and flew to my destination= =20 without incident. I would find it hard to believe that the canopy not bein= g=20 latched was the problem--more that likely the accident at Lakland the pilot= did=20 not fly the plane. Paul Hershorin 360 N471LA --- On Fri, 2/6/09, Matt Reeves wrote: From: Matt Reeves Subject: [LML] Re: Legacy damaged To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Friday, February 6, 2009, 7:35 PM This is the second incident that I know of with the Legacy canopy open i= n=20 flight where the plane was pretty much uncontrollable in such a condition.=20= =20 Unfortunately, the one at Sun N Fun did not turn out as good as this one.=20= =20 Sadly, I saw that plane the day before and it was a beauty. Maybe it would be good to invent a secondary latching system in case of=20 emergency or failure of the first system, or maybe even one that doesn't la= tch=20 except when the first system fails - just some ideas. Is anyone aware of similar incidents in the 320/360? I have the forward=20 hinge canopy with rear locking system but do still have the manual latches=20 that I am now considering installing at least on the sides of the canopy to= wards=20 the back - or maybe all 4, not sure. I guess the biggest concern would be AFTER a crash where you had to get out= =20 in a hurry AND the concern that the canopy would not be able to open from=20 the outside, unless a firefighter had an ax. Congrats on a walking away from this one! Matt --- On Thu, 2/5/09, Bill Hannahan wrote: From: Bill Hannahan Subject: [LML] Legacy damaged To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thursday, February 5, 2009, 11:43 AM =20 A Legacy (N939CB) was damaged last Friday at Longmont Co airport, LMO,=20 around 6 PM , almost dark. The pilot David Williams of Wonderview, escaped= =20 without injury. =20 _http://www.timescall.com/News_Story.asp?ID=3D14174_=20 (http://www.timescall.com/News_Story.asp?ID=3D14174) =20 Taking off on 29 the canopy opened. Apparently the plane made a pattern to=20 land on 29. It hit the top edge of an embankment about 150 yd SE of the=20 numbers, 29. The impact tore off the gear. It skimmed across the embankment= ,=20 through a twisted wire fence, then dropped about 4 ft onto flat ground and=20= =20 skidded to a stop about 100 yd from the initial impact point. =20 Four metal fence posts cut into the wing to the spar and it tore 300=A2 of=20 wire off the fence. The ground track was parallel to but about 100 feet so= uth=20 of the runway centerline. =20 Two feet lower and it would have been a very sudden stop against the=20 embankment. =20 Bill Hannahan _wfhannahan@yahoo.com_ (mailto:wfhannahan@yahoo.com)=20 =20 ____________________________________ A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. _See yours in just 2 easy steps!_=20 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1218550342x1201216770/aol?redir=3Dh= ttp://www .freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=3D668072&hmpgID=3D62&bcd=3Dfebemail= footerNO 62)=20 **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy=20 Awards. AOL Music takes you there.=20 (http://music.aol.com/grammys?ncid=3Demlcntusmusi00000002) -------------------------------1234277344 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I had a similar experience to Matt's in my 360 last year returning from= the=20 Yuma Air Show. I was climbing out at about 2K ft when suddenly the canopy=20 opened. I have a strap that ties the canopy to the back of the frame above m= y=20 head. I reached for the strap and pulled down the canopy and my wife latched= it=20 closed. During the short period the canopy was open, I felt no differen= ce=20 in the control of the plane. In fact, it didn't deviate from the climb at al= l.=20  We continued on home to Tucson without incident.
Len Spina
 
In a message dated 2/9/2009 10:50:11 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,=20 Sky2high@aol.com writes:
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Paul,
 
Another interesting description.  What would be the difference=20 between your experiences and Alain's?
 
Scott Krueger
 
In a message dated 2/8/2009 1:24:14 P.M. Central Standard Time,=20 paulhershorin@bellsouth.net writes:
I left my canopy open one day with my wife in the palne (360)= and=20 took off--realized that the canopy was open--pulled the latch up a= nd=20 the force of the air pushed the canopy down--I latched the capony=20= and=20 flew to my destination without incident.  I would find it har= d to=20 believe that the canopy not being latched was the problem--more th= at=20 likely the accident at Lakland the pilot did not fly the plane.
Paul Hershorin
360 N471LA
--- On Fri, 2/6/09, Matt Reeves=20 <mattreeves@yahoo.com> wrote:
From:=20 Matt Reeves <mattreeves@yahoo.com>
Subject: [LML] Re:=20 Legacy damaged
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Date: Friday,=20 February 6, 2009, 7:35 PM

This is the second incident that I know of=20= with=20 the Legacy canopy open in flight where the plane was prett= y=20 much uncontrollable in such a condition.  =20 Unfortunately, the one at Sun N Fun did not turn out as go= od=20 as this one.  Sadly, I saw that plane the day before=20= and=20 it was a beauty.

Maybe it would be good to invent a= =20 secondary latching system in case of emergency or failure=20= of=20 the first system, or maybe even one that doesn't latch exc= ept=20 when the first system fails - just some ideas.

Is=20 anyone aware of similar incidents in the 320/360? &nb= sp;=20 I have the forward hinge canopy with rear locking system b= ut=20 do still have the manual latches that I am now considering= =20 installing at least on the sides of the canopy towards the= =20 back - or maybe all 4, not sure.

I guess the bigges= t=20 concern would be AFTER a crash where you had to get out in= a=20 hurry AND the concern that the canopy would not be able to= =20 open from the outside, unless a firefighter had an=20 ax.

Congrats on a walking away from this=20 one!

Matt

--- On Thu, 2/5/09, Bill Hannah= an=20 <wfhannahan@yahoo.com> wrote:
From:=20 Bill Hannahan <wfhannahan@yahoo.com>
Subject: [= LML]=20 Legacy damaged
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Date:=20 Thursday, February 5, 2009, 11:43 AM

A=20 Legacy=20 (N939CB) was damaged last Frida= y at=20 Longmont Co airport, LMO, around 6 PM , almost dar= k.=20 The pilot David Williams of Wonder= view,=20 escaped without injury.=20

http://www.timescall.com/News_Story= .asp?ID=3D14174=20

Taking off on 29 the canopy o= pened.=20 Apparently the plane made a pattern to land on 29.= It=20 hit the top edge of an embankment about 150 yd SE=20= of=20 the numbers, 29. The impact tore off the gear. It=20 skimmed across the embankment, through a twisted w= ire=20 fence, then dropped about 4 ft onto flat ground an= d=20 skidded to a stop about 100 yd from the initial im= pact=20 point.=20

Four metal fence posts cut in= to the=20 wing to the spar and it tore 300=A2 of wire off th= e=20 fence. The ground track was parallel to but about=20= 100=20 feet south of the runway centerline.=20

Two feet lower and it would h= ave=20 been a very sudden stop against the embankment.=20


Bill Hannahan
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