X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 10:13:09 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from smtp-ext-01.mx.pitdc1.expedient.net ([206.210.69.141] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.10) with ESMTPS id 3340262 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 07:20:51 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=206.210.69.141; envelope-from=rpastusek@htii.com Received: from dlhtpax009 (static-71-178-198-10.washdc.fios.verizon.net [71.178.198.10]) by smtp-ext-01.mx.pitdc1.expedient.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 3E6C77C106 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 07:20:16 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: From: "Robert Pastusek" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [LML] Fuel Tank vents X-Original-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 07:20:11 -0500 Organization: Holmes-Tucker International, Inc. X-Original-Message-ID: <023001c95866$27709d50$7651d7f0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AclYHmJn6GzSFHYtTUCPmpYDSM6/zwARRlhA Content-Language: en-us Dan Schaefer wrote: I installed similar check valves in my LNC2 following an interesting experience involving a mud-dauber who thought my left wing tank vent was the ideal place for, well, mud-daubing. On a trip where I had to park the airplane outside for a week, I took off to return home and just by chance, glanced at the left wing while I pumped fuel from it. The light was just right for me to notice that the left wing surface was showing it's ribs a bit - something I had never noticed before. I landed to check it out and when I opened the filler cap there was a noticeable "Whoosh". Long story short, I found the dauber's contribution to my fuel system just out of sight in the vent. Took a bit of digging out with a length of wire followed by over-filling the tank to wash the debris from the vent as best I could. To avert this in the future, I installed tee in all three of the vent lines and connected an in-flowing check valve to each one. A check-valve was used to retain the pressure recovery from the main vents plus the original ones were already protruding thru the skins and I didn't want to remove them. Over the open ends of the check-valves, I attached a couple layers of cheese-cloth to keep other industrious bugs (or ice or other stuff) from plugging them. My tank vent system allowed me to place the valves in the wheel wells. I'm using Facet pumps for fuel transfer (which allows flow-thru when de-energized) so, during a climb, should the primary vents become blocked, a rise in tank pressure relative to ambient, will merely push fuel thru the transfer pumps and into the header. Conversely, the inflowing check-valves will allow tank pressure equalization during a descent. A flight test with the primary vents purposely plugged verified that the mod worked as expected. Incidentally, when I must leave the airplane parked outside now, I stick a pipe cleaner (dyed red with a marker pen) in each vent and pitot tube, just to add a belt to the suspenders. Dan Schaefer LNC2 N235SP Dan, Having seen a few posts about this over the years, I am now motivated to comment... Bobby Thomas, the DAR that inspected and signed off my IV-P, was concerned about "exposure" of the fuel tank vents. Seems he investigated a crash believed to be caused by exactly what you described above, and I once took off without any airspeed because of this. The tank vents on my IV-P are fed from small NACA ducts in the winglets. I flattened the ends of the 3/8" tubing that attach to the NACA duct so they present an oval opening to curious mud-daubers and leaf-rollers. My thinking was that these fellows are discriminating about their choice of nesting area, and wouldn't give an oval hole a second look--but now I'm not so sure. Bobby Thomas encouraged me to make some plugs from foam or similar, and to use them as religiously as I do the pitot covers. I haven't taken his advice--yet--but now wondering about the experience/views of others... Bob Pastusek 150 hours and flying...