X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 18:21:05 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.36] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.10) with ESMTP id 3323874 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 12:47:38 -0500 Received: from VTAILJEFF@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id q.be9.41cf2b83 (37141) for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 12:47:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-db01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-db01.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.152]) by cia-ma03.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.6) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA033-5bc64932d1ae202; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 12:47:33 -0500 Received: from WEBMAIL-DG14 (webmail-dg14.sim.aol.com [205.188.171.78]) by smtprly-db01.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDB015-5bc64932d1ae202; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 12:47:26 -0500 References: X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: Re: [LML] Recommended starter motors for IO-55 (was Starter adapter drive) X-Original-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 12:47:26 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 71.85.153.156 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: vtailjeff@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CB212AD7808FDE_A68_208F_WEBMAIL-DG14.sim.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39997-STANDARD Received: from 71.85.153.156 by WEBMAIL-DG14.sim.aol.com (205.188.171.78) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 30 Nov 2008 12:47:26 -0500 X-Original-Message-Id: <8CB212AD77BCB26-A68-FDB@WEBMAIL-DG14.sim.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO ----------MB_8CB212AD7808FDE_A68_208F_WEBMAIL-DG14.sim.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have an Energizer starter motor. Jeff -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Stallard To: lml@lancaironline.net Sent: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 8:20 am Subject: [LML] Recommended starter motors for IO-55 (was Starter adapter drive) What other starter motors are available that do not beat up the starter adapters as bad? Thanks Kevin -----Original Message----- From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Kent Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 5:51 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: Subject:,Starter adapter drive hello The TCM starter adaptors are stressed by the permanent magnet motors, like the Iskra brand and others. The permanent magnet motors have high starting torque and more importantly do not relax after being de-enegized. The start adaptor needs to be able to unwind a bit to totally disengage. Aircraft Specialties Services found it was being blamed for warranty problems that they knew was not their fault. So they made a cutaway starter adaptor and made video of the mechanism on a running engine. regards Kent Felkins Tulsa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas Brunner" To: Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 2:25 PM Subject: [LML] Re: Subject:,Starter adapter drive >I also had to replace the starter drive adapter on my IO-550 (non turbo) > after about 50 hours. In my installation we only had to loosen the bolts > holding the engine, not pull the engine. > > I have heard from a number of people about starter drive adapter > problems - > I think it is fairly common. In talking with Allen Barrett of Barrett > Precision Engines about this problem, he said that not all starters are > equal with respect to causing this problem. > > I would be interested in hearing from him what the data suggest about > which > are the best and worst starters with respect to the starter drive adapter. > > D. Brunner > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Micah Froese" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 7:01 PM > Subject: [LML] Re: Subject:,Starter adapter drive > >> Dan, >> >> I had the pleasure of replacing this after the first 50 hours of flying >> on >> my Legacy. Even though th e engine had to come off, it wasn't as bad as I >> thought it would be. We first removed the bolts holding the starter on, >> and then removed the 4 bolts holding the engine. With the engine >> swinging >> form the hoist, we were able to remove the starter without taking the >> engine completely off. Actually only took an hour or so. >> >> Micah Froese >> Lancair Legacy >> Performance Engines 10-550-EXP >> 300 hours >> >> >> >> Has anyone ever replaced a starter adapter drive on a TSIO550? (this has >> the turbo scavenger pump on the back of it) >> >> I currently have the problem of the starter motor running but the prop >> not >> turning past a compression stroke. I am told that the whole assembly has >> to come off the back of the engine and the shaft and spring replaced or >> rebuilt. The problem I have on the IV is the distance from the back of >> the shaft to the firewall is only 2 or 3 inches. I don't think this is >> enough room to slide the assembly out. Will the engine have to be moved >> forward to remove this assembly? >> >> Any help would be greatly appreciated. >> >> Dan Reagan >> Lancair IVP 570 hours >> >> >> >> -- >> For archives and unsub >> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html >> > > > -- > For archives and unsub > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1817 - Release Date: 11/28/2008 8:17 AM -- For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html -- For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html ----------MB_8CB212AD7808FDE_A68_208F_WEBMAIL-DG14.sim.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" I have an Energizer starter motor.

Jeff


-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Stallard <Kevin@arilabs.net>
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 8:20 am
Subject: [LML] Recommended starter motors for IO-55 (was Starter adapter drive)


What other starter motors are available that do not beat up the starter
adapters as bad?

Thanks
Kevin

-----Original Message-----
From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of
Kent
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 5:51 PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: Subject:,Starter adapter drive

hello

The TCM starter adaptors are stressed by the permanent magnet motors,
like 
the Iskra brand and others.
The permanent magnet motors have high starting torque and more
importantly 
do not relax after being de-enegized.   The start adaptor needs to be
able 
to unwind a bit to totally disengage.

Aircraft Specialties Services found it was being blamed for warranty 
problems that they knew was not their fault.  So they made a cutaway
starter 
adaptor and made video of the mechanism on a running engine.

regards

Kent Felkins
Tulsa




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Douglas Brunner" <douglasbrunner@earthlink.net>
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 2:25 PM
Subject: [LML] Re: Subject:,Starter adapter drive


>I also had to replace the starter drive adapter on my IO-550 (non
turbo)
> after about 50 hours.  In my installation we only had to loosen the
bolts
> holding the engine, not pull the engine.
>
> I have heard from a number of people about starter drive adapter 
> problems -
> I think it is fairly common.  In talking with Allen Barrett of Barrett
> Precision Engines about this problem, he said that not all starters
are
> equal with respect to causing this problem.
>
> I would be interested in hearing from him what the data suggest about 
> which
> are the best and worst starters with respect to the starter drive
adapter.
>
> D. Brunner
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Micah Froese" <micah@froese.com>
> To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 7:01 PM
> Subject: [LML] Re: Subject:,Starter adapter drive
>
>> Dan,
>>
>> I had the pleasure of replacing this after the first 50 hours of
flying 
>> on
>> my Legacy.  Even though the engine had to come off, it wasn't as bad
as I
>> thought it would be.  We first removed the bolts holding the starter
on,
>> and then removed the 4 bolts holding the engine.  With the engine 
>> swinging
>> form the hoist, we were able to remove the starter without taking the
>> engine completely off.  Actually only took an hour or so.
>>
>> Micah Froese
>> Lancair Legacy
>> Performance Engines 10-550-EXP
>> 300 hours
>>
>>
>>
>> Has anyone ever replaced a starter adapter drive on a TSIO550? (this
has
>> the turbo scavenger pump on the back of it)
>>
>> I currently have the problem of the starter motor running but the
prop 
>> not
>> turning past a compression stroke.  I am told that the whole assembly
has
>> to come off the back of the engine and the shaft and spring replaced
or
>> rebuilt.  The problem I have on the IV is the distance from the back
of
>> the shaft to the firewall is only 2 or 3 inches.  I don't think this
is
>> enough room to slide the assembly out.  Will the engine have to be
moved
>> forward to remove this assembly?
>>
>> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Dan Reagan
>> Lancair IVP 570 hours
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> For archives and unsub
>> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html
>>
>
>
> --
> For archives and unsub 
> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html


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