X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 00:41:09 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imo-m19.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.11] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.10) with ESMTP id 3308514 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 23:29:06 -0500 Received: from VTAILJEFF@aol.com by imo-m19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id q.d4e.3f73770b (37059) for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 23:29:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-ma02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.141]) by cia-db04.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.6) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB045-5c4d4924e7891ea; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 23:29:02 -0500 Received: from FWM-M09 (fwm-m09.webmail.aol.com [64.12.168.73]) by smtprly-ma02.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.6) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA023-5c4d4924e7891ea; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 23:28:57 -0500 References: X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Need a life raft X-Original-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 23:28:57 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 71.85.153.156 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: vtailjeff@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CB18DFA3706F7E_32C_2882_FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39997-STANDARD Received: from 71.85.153.156 by FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com (64.12.168.73) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 19 Nov 2008 23:28:57 -0500 X-Original-Message-Id: <8CB18DFA366E61E-32C-13A9@FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO ----------MB_8CB18DFA3706F7E_32C_2882_FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Jim, I would have to disagree with your recommendation about rafts and agree with Robert. If you are in a life jacket, ?only your head above your chin will be sticking out of the water. If you have ever participated in search and rescue missions as I have, the chance of locating a person's?head in?a choppy sea is at 1/2 mile from 500 feet is about zero. Most people who get saved are in a raft. While the Coast Guard is good-- betting your life on them getting to you before Jaws does is like betting?the police gets to your house before the robber gets to your nightstand. Jeff U.S. Navy (ret.) -----Original Message----- From: Robert Mitchell To: lml@lancaironline.net Sent: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 5:50 pm Subject: [LML] Re: Need a life raft Having scuba dived in Florida and the Bahamas' extensively, it is nice to be able to get your feet out of the water when the 10' hammerhead shark comes nibbling at your toes. The Coast Guard may know where you are in ten minutes, but, for whatever circumstance may not arrive at your scene for hours. Sharks rather like dangling legs in a life jacket, sorta like eating grapes off the vine! Admitted renting and stowing a big bulky raft is a pain, but if you go in the drink, its your next best friend after the EPIRB. Bob Mitchell -----Original Message----- From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Lorn H Olsen Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 5:13 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: Need a life raft Jim, I don't think that you need a life-raft. It is not the best solution. Get an inflatable 6" x 6" x 4" life jacket and an EPIRB. With the new EPIRBs the Coast Guard will know where you are to within 10' in 5 minutes. Why ride home in a liferaft when you can ride home in a USCG Cutter. I bought an AquaFix 406 /GPS EPIRB from life-raft.com for $583 on 02/15/05. I am sure that they cost less now. You can see them at: http://www.life-raft.com/dept.asp?d_id=9858&l1=9858 I bought the EPIRB for a flight to the Bahamas that I never took. My beacon is registered for an aircraft at: beaconregistration.noaa.gov. I have the EPIRB mounted behind the seats on my plane. I also still have my ELT. I don't understand the problem? If I crash, the ELT goes off. If I am conscience, I set off the EPIRB. Here is a copy of the registration: -- For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html ----------MB_8CB18DFA3706F7E_32C_2882_FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Jim,

I would have to disagree with your recommendation about rafts and agree with Robert. If you are in a life jacket,  only your head above your chin will be sticking out of the water. If you have ever participated in search and rescue missions as I have, the chance of locating a person's head in a choppy sea is at 1/2 mile from 500 feet is about zero. Most people who get saved are in a raft. While the Coast Guard is good-- betting your life on them getting to you before Jaws does is like betting the police gets to your house before the robber gets to your nightstand.

Jeff
U.S. Navy (ret.)


-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Mitchell <rmitch@newnorth.net>
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 5:50 pm
Subject: [LML] Re: Need a life raft

Having scuba dived in Florida and the Bahamas' extensively, it is nice to be
able to get your feet out of the water when the 10' hammerhead shark comes
nibbling at your toes.  The Coast Guard may know where you are in ten
minutes, but, for whatever circumstance may not arrive at your scene for
hours.  Sharks rather like dangling legs in a life jacket, sorta like eating
grapes off the vine!

Admitted renting and stowing a big bulky raft is a pain, but if you go in
the drink, its your next best friend after the EPIRB.  

Bob Mitchell

-----Original Message-----
From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Lorn
H Olsen
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 5:13 AM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: Need a life raft

Jim,

I don't think that you need a life-raft. It is not the best solution.  
Get an inflatable 6" x 6" x 4" life jacket and an EPIRB. With the new  
EPIRBs the Coast Guard will know where you are to within 10' in 5  
minutes. Why ride home in a liferaft when you can ride home in a USCG  
Cutter.

I bought an AquaFix 406 /GPS EPIRB from life-raft.com for $583 on  
02/15/05. I am sure that they cost less now. You can see them at:

      http://www.life-raft.com/dept.asp?d_id=9858&l1=9858

I bought the EPIRB for a flight to the Bahamas that I never took. My  
beacon is registered for an aircraft at: beaconregistration.noaa.gov.  
I have the EPIRB mounted behind the seats on my plane. I also still  
have my ELT.

I don't understand the problem? If I crash, the ELT goes off. If I am  
conscience, I set off the EPIRB. Here is a copy of the registration:



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