X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 19:09:23 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.8] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.9) with ESMTP id 3273778 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 00:00:46 -0500 Received: from VTAILJEFF@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id q.d3a.2ecf24d9 (37118) for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 00:00:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from webmail-mf05 (webmail-mf05.webmail.aol.com [64.12.88.218]) by cia-ma01.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA014-90fe491279f8142; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 00:00:40 -0500 References: X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Lancair owners form organization for safety, advocacy -AOPA article X-Original-Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 00:00:40 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 71.85.153.156 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: vtailjeff@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CB0DE3C03C91CA_FC4_3734_webmail-mf05.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39598-STANDARD Received: from 71.85.153.156 by webmail-mf05.sysops.aol.com (64.12.88.218) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 00:00:40 -0500 X-Original-Message-Id: <8CB0DE3C037CD0E-FC4-1A98@webmail-mf05.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO ----------MB_8CB0DE3C03C91CA_FC4_3734_webmail-mf05.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" John LOBO 18437 Edison Avenue Chesterfield, MO 63005 j.edwards@lancairowners.com Jeff -----Original Message----- From: John Schroeder To: lml@lancaironline.net Sent: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 7:07 pm Subject: [LML] Re: Lancair owners form organization for safety, advocacy -AOPA article Jeff -? ? I must have been asleep during your presentation on LOBO @ KHOT, but what's the address to send the dues to? Also, is there an email address?? ? Thanks,? ? John Schroeder? Lancair ES? ? On Tue, 04 Nov 2008 20:02:29 -0500, wrote:? ? > As John and Mark stated we are in this to improve on the Lancair safety issues, preserve our ability to get affordable insurance, protect our group from unreasonable governmental regulations and squeeze in some fun, to boot. None of us will see a penny go into our personal pockets but we have all seen a considerable outlay in?time and expenses. What is great is that many Lancair owners, pilots, builders and others share our enthusiasm and have not only joined LOBO but have volunteered to?take the bull by the horn and help in any way they can.?We are looking for a few good folks!? >? > Best Regards,? >? > Jeff Edwards? >? > ?? >? > -----Original Message-----? > From: Halle, John ? > To: lml@lancaironline.net? > Sent: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 6:25 pm? > Subject: [LML] Re: Lancair owners form organization for safety, advocacy -AOPA article? >? >? >? > Well, OK -- as the guy who formed the thing, I'll bite. As noted, there are no? > stockholders in a nonprofit and therefore no one to pay dividends to. No? > problem -- all we have to do is hire ourselves for exhorbitant salaries to work? > for the nonprofit. Gee, wonder why we didn't think of that. Could it be that? > some of us are actually concerned about safety in our community and want to do? > something about it?? >? > ________________________________? >? > From: vonjet@gmail.com [mailto:vonjet@gmail.com]? > Sent: Sun 11/2/2008 4:29 PM? > To: lml@lancaironline.net? > Subject: Re: [LML] Lancair owners form organization for safety, advocacy -AOPA? > article? >? >? > Before you get excited about nonprofit.? > Nonprofit doesnt mean they cant charge you excessive amounts of money for? > anything they offer.? > There are all sorts of ways they can call the income other things than profit.? > Just look at NBAA. They are a .org and if you knew what it costs to advertise at? > a convention they put on or to have a booth at one of their shows you would? > flip. Not to mention admission fees just to attend. Nonprofit? They are probably? > one of the most profitable organizations.? > Or maybe they call profit: funds.? >? >? >? >? > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry? >? > ________________________________? >? > From: Matt Reeves ? > Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:10:09 -0400? > To: ? > Subject: [LML] Lancair owners form organization for safety, advocacy - AOPA? > article? >? >? > I think the best part about this is that it's "nonprofit." The last place I? > think anyone should be profiting in is Lancair education and training and flight? > testing.? >? > I'm sick and tired of the "what's your life worth?" - argument. With that? > argument, why not pay ten milllion dollars for training? Because it's a stupid? > argument - that's why.? > Finally, we have a group truly interesting in safety, not money. No one has a? > problem paying for ACTUAL expenses when it comes to training, it's the $5000/hr? > approach that steers people away.? > Above all, hopefully this group will promote common sense, which is priceless.? >? > Matt? >? >? > By By AOPA ePublishing staff? > A new nonprofit organization for Lancair owners and builders will focus on? > promoting the safe use of Lancair aircraft and emphasize owner, operator, and? > builder education and training, according to the group's founders.? > Recently started by a small group of Lancair enthusiasts and endorsed by Lancair? > International Inc., the Lancair Owners and Builders Organization, or LOBO? > , also hopes to build partnerships with? > insurance companies and work closely with regulatory agencies.? > "Coupled with better communication between our members and insurance providers,? > improved safety will help our members better control skyrocketing operating? > costs," said LOBO co-founder Bob Pastusek.? > Lancairs have been involved in what the FAA labeled a "disproportionate" number? > of fatal accidents, including seven fatal accidents between February and July of? > this year. See AOPA Air Safety Foundation Executive Director Bruce Landsberg's? > blog on the subject and share your? > opinions.? >? >? > --? > For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html? >? >? ? ? --? For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html? ----------MB_8CB0DE3C03C91CA_FC4_3734_webmail-mf05.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" John


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-----Original Message-----
From: John Schroeder <jschroeder@perigee.net>
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 7:07 pm
Subject: [LML] Re: Lancair owners form organization for safety, advocacy -AOPA article

Jeff - 
 
I must have been asleep during your presentation on LOBO @ KHOT, but what's the address to send the dues to? Also, is there an email address? 
 
Thanks, 
 
John Schroeder 
Lancair ES 
 
On Tue, 04 Nov 2008 20:02:29 -0500, <vtailjeff@aol.com> wrote: 
 
> As John and Mark stated we are in this to improve on the Lancair safety issues, preserve our ability to get affordable insurance, protect our group from unreasonable governmental regulations and squeeze in some fun, to boot. None of us will see a penny go into our personal pockets but we have all seen a considerable outlay in?time and expenses. What is great is that many Lancair owners, pilots, builders and others share our enthusiasm and have not only joined LOBO but have volunteered to?take the bull by the horn and help in any way they can.?We are looking for a few good folks! 
> 
> Best Regards, 
> 
> Jeff Edwards 
> 
> ? 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Halle, John <JJHALLE@stoel.com> 
> To: lml@lancaironline.net 
> Sent: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 6:25 pm 
> Subject: [LML] Re: Lancair owners form organization for safety, advocacy -AOPA article 
> 
> 
> 
> Well, OK -- as the guy who formed the thing, I'll bite. As noted, there are no 
> stockholders in a nonprofit and therefore no one to pay dividends to. No 
> problem -- all we have to do is hire ourselves for exhorbitant salaries to work 
> for the nonprofit. Gee, wonder why we didn't think of that. Could it be that 
> some of us are actually concerned about safety in our community and want to do 
> something about it? 
> 
> ________________________________ 
> 
> From: vonjet@gmail.com [mailto:vonjet@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Sun 11/2/2008 4:29 PM 
> To: lml@lancaironline.net 
> Subject: Re: [LML] Lancair owners form organization for safety, advocacy -AOPA 
> article 
> 
> 
> Before you get excited about nonprofit. 
> Nonprofit doesnt mean they cant charge you excessive amounts of money for 
> anything they offer. 
> There are all sorts of ways they can call the income other things than profit. 
> Just look at NBAA. They are a .org and if you knew what it costs to advertise at 
> a convention they put on or to have a booth at one of their shows you would 
> flip. Not to mention admission fees just to attend. Nonprofit? They are probably 
> one of the most profitable organizations. 
> Or maybe they call profit: funds. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry 
> 
> ________________________________ 
> 
> From: Matt Reeves <mattreeves@yahoo.com> 
> Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:10:09 -0400 
> To: <lml@lancaironline.net> 
> Subject: [LML] Lancair owners form organization for safety, advocacy - AOPA 
> article 
> 
> 
> I think the best part about this is that it's "nonprofit." The last place I 
> think anyone should be profiting in is Lancair education and training and flight 
> testing. 
> 
> I'm sick and tired of the "what's your life worth?" - argument. With that 
> argument, why not pay ten milllion dollars for training? Because it's a stupid 
> argument - that's why. 
> Finally, we have a group truly interesting in safety, not money. No one has a 
> problem paying for ACTUAL expenses when it comes to training, it's the $5000/hr 
> approach that steers people away. 
> Above all, hopefully this group will promote common sense, which is priceless. 
> 
> Matt 
> 
> 
> By By AOPA ePublishing staff 
> A new nonprofit organization for Lancair owners and builders will focus on 
> promoting the safe use of Lancair aircraft and emphasize owner, operator, and 
> builder education and training, according to the group's founders. 
> Recently started by a small group of Lancair enthusiasts and endorsed by Lancair 
> International Inc., the Lancair Owners and Builders Organization, or LOBO 
> <http://www.lancairowners.com/> , also hopes to build partnerships with 
> insurance companies and work closely with regulatory agencies. 
> "Coupled with better communication between our members and insurance providers, 
> improved safety will help our members better control skyrocketing operating 
> costs," said LOBO co-founder Bob Pastusek. 
> Lancairs have been involved in what the FAA labeled a "disproportionate" number 
> of fatal accidents, including seven fatal accidents between February and July of 
> this year. See AOPA Air Safety Foundation Executive Director Bruce Landsberg's 
> blog <http://blog.aopa.org/asfblog/?m=200807> on the subject and share your 
> opinions. 
> 
> 
> -- 
> For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html 
> 
> 
 
 
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