X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:48:23 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.5] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.6) with ESMTP id 3094132 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 09:32:43 -0400 Received: from RicArgente@cs.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id q.d31.39953641 (37228) for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 09:32:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LIBML3LK560 ([161.233.9.242]) by cia-ma06.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA065-916c48b405e9157; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 09:32:25 -0400 From: "Rick Argente" X-Original-To: Subject: RE: AOPA Wx/ATC online course:MUST SEE!! X-Original-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 09:32:23 -0400 X-Original-Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00BE_01C9075E.A526BF30" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AckHZxUazsZa7t8cRri52w9kuWcniQABVj+gAAJm7nAAABC/4A== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Disposition-Notification-To: "Rick Argente" X-AOL-IP: 161.233.9.242 X-Spam-Flag:NO ------=_NextPart_000_00BE_01C9075E.A526BF30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wow, great AOPA online presentation! Highly recommended for all to watch. Reminds me of a time when.... -Rick Argente _____ From: Ron Galbraith [mailto:cfi@instructor.net] Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 12:08 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: AOPA Wx/ATC online course I was going through some of the AOPA online courses and thought some of you might be especially interested in the one called: Weather Wise: Thunderstorms and ATC Within this course there is an ATC recording of the Lancair IV that flew into the thunderstorm and crashed. Please know what the controllers mean when they say things they say. In this example, one controller gave the LNC4 a heading around an area of heavy precip that was shown on the scope. When he was handed off to the next controller, the clearance was proceed direct when able, and the LNC4 read back, "direct XXX", and proceeded to turn directly into the middle of the thunderstrom. The en-route controllers deal with air carrier and business jet aircraft most of the time (ones with on board radars), and a clearance to deviate for weather Left (or Right) is often followed by proceed direct when able because the aircraft are nagivating around the weather themselves. Controllers don't know which aircraft are equiped with on board radar, and it is not a controllers responsibility to keep aircraft out of weather. ATC does have an obligation to tell you what they see, but it's up to you to ask to deviate or ask for a vector if you can't do it on your own, and if there is a question at all, YOU need to clerify what you think they meant. Ron Galbraith ------=_NextPart_000_00BE_01C9075E.A526BF30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Wow, great AOPA online presentation! Hig= hly=20 recommended for all to watch. Reminds me of a time=20 when....

-Rick Ar= gente

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From: Ron Galbraith [mailto:cfi@instruct= or.net]=20
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 12:08 PM
To:=20 lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: AOPA Wx/ATC online=20 course

I was going through some of the AOPA online courses and thought s= ome=20 of you might be especially interested in the one called:

Weather Wise:=20 Thunderstorms and ATC

Within this course there is an ATC recording o= f=20 the Lancair IV that flew into the thunderstorm and crashed. Please kno= w=20 what the controllers mean when they say things they say. In this examp= le,=20 one controller gave the LNC4 a heading around an area of heavy precip that w= as=20 shown on the scope. When he was handed off to the next controller, the= =20 clearance was proceed direct when able, and the LNC4 read back, "direct XXX"= ,=20 and proceeded to turn directly into the middle of the thunderstrom. Th= e=20 en-route controllers deal with air carrier and business jet aircraft most of= the=20 time (ones with on board radars), and a clearance to deviate for weather Lef= t=20 (or Right) is often followed by proceed direct when able because the aircraf= t=20 are nagivating around the weather themselves. Controllers don't know w= hich=20 aircraft are equiped with on board radar, and it is not a controllers=20 responsibility to keep aircraft out of weather. ATC does have an=20 obligation to tell you what they see, but it's up to you to ask to deviate o= r=20 ask for a vector if you can't do it on your own, and if there is a question=20= at=20 all, YOU need to clerify what you think they meant.

Ron=20 Galbraith

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