Matt your reference to "Negative Training" is a good and
thought provoking point. However, as I read the post on the number of
accidents year after year the question remains what is to be done.
Friends don't let friends fly into thunderstorms or fly without current and
appropriate training. I have received lots of sim time on catastrophic
fire, engine loss, hydraulic loss, dual electrical bus failures, runaway
batteries and I would not propose giving that up.
It has now been a few years since I attended HPAT training in
Redmond.. (a most rewarding experience). I am casually concluding that #1
- Insurance companies are the problem (Cause it can't be us). The savings
for such real and positive training needs to be more financially
significant. #2 - The cost of insurance for those who do not seek and
complete HPAT/ sim or qualified and frequent currency should be prohibitively expensive
to the more casual pilots to cover the losses to the many who remain. #3
- As a group, more needs to be done to create a fraternal posting of
individuals who occasionally run off the reservation. #4 - I remain supportive
that proper sim training has a valued place in helping to reduce a tragic fact.
#5 - A frank and frequent review of facts and trends by this make and model
remains a sobering experience. My hat is off to Jeff for his hard work
and tireless efforts to inform.
If indeed, a significant pool of the accident victims are from
purchase of OBAM aircraft to which they are not the builder of record, then I
ask "What is this group proposing". The example of the wealthy
individual with the Skyraider is endemic across the Exhibition Warbird
community where you don't even need to be a builder/repairman or knowledgeable
to maintain its airworthiness. Of course only a stupid owner would do
such a thing but boy do I have a lot of stupid, close friends. Each year
I fly a little more cautiously and continue to too lose too many of those I
considered friends.
Still wondering what is a group to do?
Waiting for the FAA to drop the Policy Shoe on the 51% rule in
November.
John Cox
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[mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Matt Hapgood
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 9:08 AM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: Training
PC based training software
can be an excellent way to maintain proficiency with respect to instrument
procedures – HOW to fly them. However, I caution that using a
generic or even an “inaccurate” training device or simulator to practice
emergency maneuvers and aircraft systems procedures can be worse than doing
nothing. Improperly modeled systems, inaccurate or poorly implemented
aerodynamic models, or motion cues that don’t represent actual aircraft
flying (we call those “commotion” instead of motion
simulators). All of these items can very easily result in negative
training and a sense of “I’ve practiced that” when the
reality of what may happen in the aircraft will be vastly different from what
the simulator indicated “should” happen or feel like.
This is particularly relevant
to the experimental world. Simulation of a Citation jet is a challenge
– there are a few different avionics packages and a few different
engines/performance variants. At the end of the day it takes
several different multi-million $ simulators to cover the Citation range.
For our experimental planes the variability is HUGE – single vs. dual
bus, engine choice, props, extended wing tips or not, back-up alternator or
not, fuel system differences…
Example – if someone
were to model the following:
Lancair LNC2
no header tank
IO-360
Long mount, big tail
constant speed 2-blade prop
dual bus with glass panel
Is that what you would want
to base your training on if you flew a steam gauge, short mount 320 with fixed
pitch prop? I would go so far as to say that emergency procedures, stalls
and low-altitude engine out practice would be almost meaningless given the
variability in how these aircraft will act/perform.
And that’s what you’d
want a simulator to do for you if you were going to spend the time, money and
effort to simulate anything. I would be very concerned about negative
training and trying to figure out what would and would not transfer.
Experimentals are
wonderful. I love mine. But we’ve kinda screwed the pooch
when it comes to training. And the sad truth is that as experimental
aircraft get faster and more complex the training needs to keep up, and as
defined by the circumstances it cannot. Recognize that the Lancair
Ovation or the Epic experimentals are exceeding the performance of certificated
aircraft for which the insurance industry has basically mandated
advanced/simulator-based training. If you want to fly a Citation, a
Kingair or a anything in that performance envelope your insurer will require
simulator/advanced FTD training. And there’s a reason for it
– history and statistics have shown that this type of training
dramatically reduces accidents. The Ovations and EPICs are in that category
of performance yet the pilot doesn’t have that training option.
It’s a recipe for disaster.
Matt
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[mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Ted Noel
Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 9:50 PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Training
Airline
pilots now train in sims due to the cost of flying giant aluminum clouds. My
local FBO has a Motus Motion Sim, but it doesn't have any Lancairs in its
repertoire. But for a 172, it's $100 per hour cheaper, and it's tougher than
the real thing. If you're proficient in it, you're ready.