Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #48411
From: Jim Nordin <panelmaker@earthlink.net>
Sender: <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Detect a leaking wing on IVP
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 13:40:52 -0400
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>

Empty the tank of fuel. Flush the inside of the tank with Freon (don’t let the FEDs know), pressurize it a tiny bit, seal it, then use a “sniffer” to detect the very smallest micro leak. Flow plenty of air over the wing areas for a while to remove residual Freon pockets before your search begins. Freon’s molecular size (critical dimension is about 5.3 angstroms) is close to pentane (6 angstroms I think I remember) which means, if you can flow pentane, you can flow Freon. So if you find a leak using a sniffer, you might have a gasoline leak there too. Hey, I might be wrong about the numbers … it’s been a long time since using these dimensions etc, but the sniffer should work even if the numbers are wrong. This method removes the volumetric, atmospheric, temperature variation issues altogether and Freon doesn’t support combustion. Just make sure there’s positive pressure (tiny amount) in the tank when searching for that micro amount of Freon.

If you have a leak, do the best you can to determine what caused it. Is a lack of fuel sealer opening an area of exposure, have a crack in the wing structure, what? The cause may be pointing to the appropriate repair. I wouldn’t just take the wing skins off only to find out something minor was the problem.  

Jim


From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of vtailjeff@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 11:13 AM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: leaking wing on IVP

Ralf,
Sounds like you are going to have to pinpoint where the leaks are. The builder's manual recommends using very low pressure air (1-2 psi) to check for leaks. You must be certain you have drained all the fuel out of the wings and there is no residual fuel vapors. You may end up having to remove the wings to do this properly. Depending on the leaks you might end up removing one of the skins of the wing. Once the leak is found then you must paint over the leak are on the inside of the fuel tank with Jeffco tank sealant (a two part epoxy). You might consider calling Mark Mahnke in Redmond. He has repaired these kinds of problems in the past.
Best Regards,
Jeff Edwards

 

-----Original Message-----
From: bronnenmeier@GROBSYSTEMS.COM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 3:25 pm
Subject: [LML] leaking wing on IVP

Dear subscribers,

 

I need some help/advise. I purchased a used IVP with 250 hrs. It did not look very nicely and I knew that it needed some work. I had a pre purchase inspection/anual done at Lancair and they confirmed that everything was in a working condition and that the airplane was safe to fly. Based on this I made my purchase decision.

 

I took the airplane apart and I am rebuilding it right now (I did not have the money for a new kit). After painting the wings we got a paint bubble during the buffing in the sun. I dug into bubble and found some of that brown rubber under the primer (the sealer that is used to seal the inside of fuel tanks - unfortunately I decided to just grind of the original paint and leave the primer on) I decided to grind of all the paint and primer around my leading edge and found that brown rubber stuff on several spots along the leading edge. After removing the rubber I found wet spots in the carbon fiber. After looking at the wing closer I found blue stains on the very outside of the leading edge (visible by looking into the wing after removing the winglets). This probably should have been found by Lancair during the annual/pre purchase inspection.

 

I think my whole leading edge is soaked with fuel since I see stains where no fuel tank is. I would also consider this as a safety concern. My friends from the FBO here think the design of a wing without any inspection panels is hazardous anyway. So I won’t find much help there. One professional Lancair builder recommended to paint the outside of the wing with sealer paint 8 0 I don’t feel very comfortable with his advice.

 

Can anyone give me advise on how to fix this right. I would also feel more comfortable if I would have professional help on this – any advise on this? Do you think I would have any success asking Lancair for help on this since I purchased the plane based on their evaluation.

 

 

Ralf Bronnenmeier

Bluffton, OH 45817

Phone: (419) 369 12 33

 

 


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