X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 01:00:28 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [66.64.141.200] (HELO lucky.dts.local) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.5) with ESMTP id 3016396 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 08 Jul 2008 10:51:03 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=66.64.141.200; envelope-from=cjensen@dts9000.com Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Builders/owners support X-Original-Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 10:48:16 -0400 X-Original-Message-ID: <8984A39879F2F5418251CBEEC9C689B3AFCF5C@lucky.dts.local> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [LML] Re: Builders/owners support Thread-Index: AcjhB1AwUlb3BzwyQSuXUu4Vq4cnuQAAomeg From: "Chuck Jensen" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" Bill, I believe you are confusing parts and planes. The discussion was about = parts; availability and prices, not the final cost of a fully assembled = plane. If builders pay themselves no more than minimum wage, the kit = built plane MIGHT be cheaper than a Cessna, but there is no doubt that = it'll blow its ailerons off. The big price difference is when you buy = replacement parts. Chuck Jensen -----Original Message----- From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net]On Behalf Of Bill Bradburry Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:34 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: Builders/owners support What makes you think that Lancair is not charging the same type prices = as the spam cans? They are only providing the parts in a kit! Cessna puts = it together for you and supplies the engine and avionics as well! Don't get me wrong, I am not supporting spam cans...But don't start = crying in your beer about how cheap Lancair parts are! Bill B=20 -----Original Message----- From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of = Chuck Jensen Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 3:04 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: Builders/owners support Of course, if Lancair charged the same type prices as Cessna does for = it's legacy parts, they could likely support early models forever too...especially if they're producing the same product for 40 years as = Cessa has. I suspect there'd be a hue-n-cry if Lancair, Vans, Velocity = started charging Cessna/Piper type prices, so some compromise has to be made. If parts availability for the next 30 years is of utmost importance to someone, then by all means, they should buy a doggy Cessna. If you want faster, better, cheaper, then difficulty finding some parts-n-pieces 10 = or 20 years later may just be part of the gig. Chuck Jensen -----Original Message----- From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net]On Behalf Of es39wg@comcast.net Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 8:39 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Builders/owners support Long story short -- buy a IV kit even if it is discontinued (or about to be). The Lancair kits are great products, but nobody can stay in = business stocking *all* of the parts for kits that have not been sold for 20 = years. (Can you get parts for a Pinto from Ford anymore?) But protect yourself = and get *everything* that you can't buy from Vans or Aircraf Spruce at the = same time. - Rob Wolf That is not exactly true. Cessna is still supporting every model they = ever built. I was at the 80th anniversary celebration of Cessna in June of '07. = When the discussion turned to support for the Cardinal which was only built = from 1968 through 1978. The question of replacement parts came up. They informed us (about 100 of us in the meeting at the time) that they do in fact support all their prior models. Granted some parts may have to be manufactured to meet our needs and some things like shimmy dampers can = be quite expensive, they will make them if they don't still have them in = stock. BTW, they are having a 40th anniversary celebration of the Cardinal in Wichita in September. I can't make that event even though I own both a = FG and an RG Cardinal as well as a TR182 and part owner of a Lancair ES. I = am having back surgery in August. If Rob is not a Cessna owner I am not surprised he would not be aware of that fact. Actually Cessna owners = who did not attend the seminar might not be aware. duane 39WG -- For archives and unsub = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html -- For archives and unsub = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html -- For archives and unsub = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html