X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 19:51:28 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mta11.charter.net ([216.33.127.80] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.3) with ESMTP id 2929548 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 19 May 2008 18:08:58 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=216.33.127.80; envelope-from=farnsworth@charter.net Received: from aarprv04.charter.net ([10.20.200.74]) by mta11.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20080519220812.HXKR5653.mta11.charter.net@aarprv04.charter.net> for ; Mon, 19 May 2008 18:08:12 -0400 Received: from Farnsworth ([75.139.158.86]) by aarprv04.charter.net with ESMTP id <20080519220811.JBES4495.aarprv04.charter.net@Farnsworth> for ; Mon, 19 May 2008 18:08:11 -0400 From: "farnsworth" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Turn back to the Airport after engine failure X-Original-Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 18:13:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B1_01C8B9DC.0E15C2F0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Aci53qo8cJEk3+L6SqGSRyCp+ujaEAAHdzBg X-Original-Message-Id: <20080519220811.JBES4495.aarprv04.charter.net@Farnsworth> X-Chzlrs: 0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B1_01C8B9DC.0E15C2F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dom, A correction in the distance traveled. (: "I can only speak for the capability of my airplane but my "dead man zone is very brief. I have a climb rate of over 5,000 FPM at the following weight/airspeed/power: Weight: 2224 lbs Climb Speed: 140 Kts IAS Power: 2700 RPM/38" MP I can reach 1,000' AGL in about 12 seconds. I will have traveled about 2,800' down track. That doesn't put me beyond the departure airport. My rate of descent with the prop feathered is about 600 FPM that gives me about 1 minute and 40 seconds to impact. I will have traveled a little over 10, 000' over the ground (at 135 kts)." "I will have traveled a little over 10, 000' over the ground (at 135 kts)." This should read over 22,000', instead of 10,000'. Lynn _____ From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Dominic V Crain Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 2:31 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: Turn back to the Airport after engine failure Lynn, me ol' China - no one is shouting the idea down. There ARE issues with this procedure and better they be aired herein, which, unless I'm mistaken, is set up for this thread as much as anything. ALL pilots think they are God's gift etc., to the business. We all think our ideas are the best. I happen to dispute this procedure as being a wise mindset, as I think the evidence is that, practice or not, the end result is more fatal than not. But deny Bill or anyone else his right to debate, is equally unwise. Just on one point you made, what is the right altitude? It is a fair bet that the right altitude puts you laterally beyond reach of your departure airfield, in which case it might be better to concentrate on what's ahead in the splay. Cheers Dom VH-CZJ ------=_NextPart_000_00B1_01C8B9DC.0E15C2F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

Dom,

 

A correction in the distance = traveled. (:

 

 

“I can only speak for the = capability of my airplane but my “dead man zone is very brief. I have a climb = rate of over 5,000 FPM at the following = weight/airspeed/power:

 

Weight: 2224 = lbs

Climb Speed: 140 Kts = IAS

Power: 2700 RPM/38” = MP

 

I can reach 1,000’ AGL in = about 12 seconds. I will have traveled about 2,800’ down track. That = doesn’t put me beyond the departure airport. My rate of descent with the prop = feathered is about 600 FPM that gives me about 1 minute and 40 seconds to impact. = I will have traveled a little over 10, 000’ over the ground (at 135 = kts).”

 

 

“I will have traveled a = little over 10, 000’ over the ground (at 135 kts).” This should read = over 22,000’, instead of 10,000’. =  

 

Lynn

 

From: = Lancair Mailing List = [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Dominic V Crain
Sent: Monday, May 19, = 2008 2:31 PM
To: = lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: Turn = back to the Airport after engine failure

 

Lynn, me ol’ = China – no one is shouting the idea down.

There ARE issues with this = procedure and better they be aired herein, which, unless I’m mistaken, is set up = for this thread as much as anything.

ALL pilots think they are = God’s gift etc., to the business. We all think our ideas are the best. I happen to = dispute this procedure as being a wise mindset, as I think the evidence is that, practice or not, the end result is more fatal than = not.

But deny Bill or anyone else his = right to debate, is equally unwise.

Just on one point you made, what = is the right altitude? It is a fair bet that the right altitude puts you = laterally beyond reach of your departure airfield, in which case it might be = better to concentrate on what’s ahead in the = splay.

Cheers

=

Dom

VH-CZJ

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