X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 17:57:32 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from bay0-omc2-s3.bay0.hotmail.com ([65.54.246.139] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.3) with ESMTP id 2927584 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 18 May 2008 10:07:42 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=65.54.246.139; envelope-from=bill_kennedy_3@hotmail.com Received: from BAY128-W43 ([65.55.133.78]) by bay0-omc2-s3.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 18 May 2008 07:07:03 -0700 X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: bill_kennedy_3@hotmail.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_1f5eab75-2f2f-4639-99bc-cc2ea9a112cd_" X-Originating-IP: [71.222.115.182] From: Bill Kennedy X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Turn back to the Airport after engine failure X-Original-Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 07:07:03 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 May 2008 14:07:03.0652 (UTC) FILETIME=[72BA1A40:01C8B8F0] --_1f5eab75-2f2f-4639-99bc-cc2ea9a112cd_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's not a "dead man's turn". All it is is a turn. If you don't have enough= altitude, don't do it. If you can't make a 60 degree banked turn without s= talling, better practice. It's a non-event, why would you hear of a successful one? But no, I'm the o= nly one I know who's done a no power landing for real, and I was a couple o= f thousand feet when the engine quit. But, I have practiced these things an= d know I can do it. I didn't hear it called a "dead man's turn" in the Air Force, but I'll gran= t you that you may have. I flew the OV-10 for a couple of years, and we did= n't practice engine out landings in it. You could drop it in almost as slow= ly as my Lancair 320, and it had very rugged gear. The only engine failure = we had while I was flying it, the pilot died -- not doing the dreaded "dead= man's turn", but not letting the plane glide straight ahead (he was a coup= le of miles out on final approach). To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 21:52:24 -0400 From: mjrav@comcast.net Subject: [LML] Re: Turn back to the Airport after engine failure =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= In Air Force Flight school I learned this maneuver was =0A= known as the "dead man's turn".=0A= A couple years ago Jim Rogers died on the first flying day =0A= of his 360. He called the tower on takeoff with problems and couldn't make= =0A= it back to a runway. He was a veteran of 13 forced landings in Nam flying = =0A= helo's.=0A= I personally witnessed a fatal crash where it was =0A= attempted by a C172 while developing full power (and inadvertent full =0A= flaps).=0A= Does anyone know of an actual occurance of this ever being =0A= done successfully - with a real power failure?=0A= =0A= Mark Ravinski=0A= 360 1439 hrs=0A= =0A= =0A= --_1f5eab75-2f2f-4639-99bc-cc2ea9a112cd_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It's not a "dead= man's turn". All it is is a turn. If you don't have enough altitude, don't= do it. If you can't make a 60 degree banked turn without stalling, better = practice.

It's a non-event, why would you hear of a successful one? = But no, I'm the only one I know who's done a no power landing for real, and= I was a couple of thousand feet when the engine quit. But, I have practice= d these things and know I can do it.

I didn't hear it called a "dead= man's turn" in the Air Force, but I'll grant you that you may have. I flew= the OV-10 for a couple of years, and we didn't practice engine out landing= s in it. You could drop it in almost as slowly as my Lancair 320, and it ha= d very rugged gear. The only engine failure we had while I was flying it, t= he pilot died -- not doing the dreaded "dead man's turn", but not letting t= he plane glide straight ahead (he was a couple of miles out on final approa= ch).



To: lml@la= ncaironline.net
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 21:52:24 -0400
From: mjrav@com= cast.net
Subject: [LML] Re: Turn back to the Airport after engine failur= e

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In Air Force Flight school I learned this maneuve= r was =0A= known as the "dead man's turn".
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A couple years ago Jim Rogers died on the first f= lying day =0A= of his 360.  He called the tower on takeoff with problems and couldn't= make =0A= it back to a runway.  He was a veteran of 13 forced landings in Nam fl= ying =0A= helo's.
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I personally witnessed a fatal crash where it was= =0A= attempted by a C172 while developing full power (and inadvertent full = =0A= flaps).
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Does anyone know of an actual occurance of this e= ver being =0A= done successfully - with a real power failure?
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Mark Ravinski
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