X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 16:55:19 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from web54406.mail.yahoo.com ([206.190.49.136] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2c4) with SMTP id 2627317 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 01 Jan 2008 20:55:17 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=206.190.49.136; envelope-from=randylsnarr@yahoo.com Received: (qmail 46516 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jan 2008 01:54:39 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Uh+BFrR8+zIhNPOs/YF5XymxElVuwYAu2Vbbxy+DDpCgo1yEjPQCw63pCS4JpbPN2Vno0a6KppWr4ifauGBBZo4BSZhYhUT+ul8VYblnQlxskkylPZ4TAq1Bno8jEvLzmNdY3vGB9M1BeR+k++oUTzZ/y4UGenwz4QvcOQXQH94=; X-YMail-OSG: _9qbTvIVM1nEMRFBch90SKoNeIBTx6a_zrZsEallbzBAuiIHckJlVfgKiEROTk0mbA-- Received: from [76.8.220.18] by web54406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Jan 2008 17:54:39 PST X-Original-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 17:54:39 -0800 (PST) From: randy snarr Subject: Re: [LML] Re: fuel question 235/320/360 X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Original-Message-ID: <834047.44760.qm@web54406.mail.yahoo.com> Scott, Thank for the very thoughful response. I have a 235 with a 320 engine and constant speed propeller and big battery in the tail. The fuel reconfig is for CG purposes. I am in pretty good shape but I often fly alone with 15 or so gallons. In that config I am on the front edge of the envelope. I would rather have a near empty header and pull from the wings which would put me in middle of the envelope. Thanks again... Randy. --- Sky2high@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 12/31/2007 1:39:57 P.M. Central > Standard Time, > randylsnarr@yahoo.com writes: > > I am looking for feedback from those who pull fuel > directly from their wings > that do not have slosh boxes installed. My fuel > pickups are in the typical > place (BL 50 about 2/3 of the way back between the > front and rear spar). > I am contemplating changing the fuel system with a > 3 way valve to pull from > Left Main and Right tanks. > I would be very interested to know if you ever > unport the fuel and under > which conditions it happens if ever. > > > > Randy, > > I can only answer your question theoretically. I > believe in the simple > system pretty much as designed for the wee Lancairs. > As such, the wings can be > completely emptied into the header tank while in > level flight (down to the > last cupful), thus maximizing the available fuel > onboard. > > Drawing directly from a wing without a slosh chamber > means that at some > lesser fuel level, the wing feeding the engine can > unport via a slip, skid, > uncoordinated flight, high pitch angle (extended > climb or descent) or a spin. The > fuel level may be different for each of the > conditions listed and it is > doubtful if any were tested whilst the wings were > off the airplane when it is > easy to check at certain pitch angles. Let's see, > how about a Vx, Vy or missed > approach climb out with a standard rate turn > (albeit slightly uncoordinated) > away from the 1/4 filled wing? Does this mean the > checklists for takeoffs, > landings and approaches contains a check off to > switch to the wing with a 1/2 > or better fuel quantity? So many bad possibilities > are extant. > > Some planes that have 3-way selectors and pumps that > are utilized to keep > the header full, where the header is used for > takeoff and landing or reserve > only. The selector valve is considered a backup in > case a pump (or the > complete electrical system) should fail. > > Of course, others (like myself) keep the header tank > full (>8 gal) at all > times (engine sole fuel source) and have pre-made > the decision that should they > note a pump failure, the "nearest airport" GPS > function is activated. The > safest way to reach your destination is with > everything working - even if it > takes a day or two longer. We look at the header > as the main fuel tank and > the wings merely as aux tanks. > > Scott Krueger AKA Grayhawk > Lancair N92EX IO320 SB 89/96 > Aurora, IL (KARR) > > Darwinian culling phrase: Watch This! > > > > **************************************See AOL's top > rated recipes > (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping