X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 13:50:43 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from web33701.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.201.198] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2c1) with SMTP id 2456665 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 12:21:40 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.142.201.198; envelope-from=flycassutts@yahoo.com Received: (qmail 52002 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Nov 2007 17:20:47 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=uS7xYPfi94oSFpPkpx0XJ2LgMsQzWXRZzGA6cgvwRgK1QTu7Dbpd7AeyjRVDdxSmomLLs7V3KmnC/19BMFcHrLpRKTZn+VaxD1D9ywxamv264c4xKYFr3Ssk9lJm1Lcp+ZjVFFv6T8RnUq8T85Gs1f7yVkDv0e2NFiKIflbaKlw=; X-YMail-OSG: jWHWkEYVM1kZRs_IkrLNZpBK6tN0NM9oTGoQvJo0Tct1tAuoYIvUJ5MZpe0GhWUKJQ-- Received: from [71.208.127.212] by web33701.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 09:20:47 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/814.06 YahooMailWebService/0.7.152 X-Original-Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 09:20:47 -0800 (PST) From: Art Jensen Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Filling and Sanding X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1968787360-1194283247=:51154" X-Original-Message-ID: <840053.51154.qm@web33701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --0-1968787360-1194283247=:51154 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I too would recommend them as they do infact do excellent work at a very re= asonable price.=0A=0AArt Jensen=0ALegacy 927J=0A=0A=0A----- Original Messag= e ----=0AFrom: Jack Dysart =0ATo: lml@lancaironline.net= =0ASent: Monday, November 5, 2007 8:55:23 AM=0ASubject: [LML] Re: Filling a= nd Sanding=0A=0A=0AI had my body work, including primer coat, done by Jeff = Michael and Erik Woods at EK Composites in Denver (KFTG). I often spent ti= me in their shop working on parts of the plane and interrupting Jeff=A2s wo= rk to get help with minor modifications, so don=A2t have a very good idea h= ow much the actual filling and sanding cost. The workmanship is very good = and they are reasonable in their charges. They also accommodate your prefe= rences for turnkey work or builder assist. Tel: 720-371-3013 or 720-203-71= 16. They are familiar with all Lancair models and can usually give an esti= mate of the time and cost.=0A =0AJack Dysart=0A =0A=0A=0A=0AFrom: Bryan Wul= lner [mailto:sbej@verizon.net] =0ASent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 7:28 PM= =0ATo: lml@lancaironline.net=0ASubject: Re: [LML] Filling and Sanding=0A = =0AHow much does it cost to have someone do this portion?=0A=0A =0A----- Or= iginal Message ----- =0AFrom: rwolf99@aol.com =0ATo: lml@lancaironline.net = =0ASent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 7:04 PM=0ASubject: [LML] Filling and S= anding=0A =0ASo far I've spent 48 hours on filling and sanding, and the bot= tom of my airplane is in primer, but not the top. I did this so that my pa= int guy would not have to do the priming work lying on his back (he was ver= y appreciative). This was done just before attaching the vertical and hori= zontal tails, so the horizontal tail is not primed, nor are the wingtips an= d control surfaces.=0A=0AI did the "rough out" of the filling and sanding. = My goal was to leave only minor high spots and let the professional do the= final pass. After all, that's where all the skill comes in. In fact, he = made one pass, found a few low spots, added some filler there, and then did= the final pass. Then he sprayed on the primer (PPG K36) and did the block= -sanding of that. He left it so that it needs one more pass with (I think)= 360 grit, so that the "tooth" doesn't sit for more than a day or so before= spraying on the color coat.=0A=0AI highly recommend this approach to build= ers who are on a budget, but still want their planes to look fantastic. Do= the grunt work yourself (major filling and sanding down to, say, 180 grit)= -- this is not skilled labor. Let a pro do the final pass. That *is* ski= lled labor.=0A=0AOh, and if you can, get the guy to look at it when you thi= nk you are done, because you probably aren't. In my case, I just brought a= wing down to him. He pointed out what I should be looking for, how I shou= ld be identifying what needs work, and pointers on what tools to use and in= which directions to be doing the sanding. It really helped a lot.=0A=0AFo= r those of you that can write a check, take a one-month vacation, and pick = up your filled, sanded and painted plane -- well, that's great. I wish I c= ould. But this way, it will look like I did!=0A=0A- Rob Wolf =0A=0A=0A=0AE= mail and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail!=0A=0A_= _________________________________________________=0ADo You Yahoo!?=0ATired = of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around =0Ahttp://mail.ya= hoo.com --0-1968787360-1194283247=:51154 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I too would recommend them as they do infact do e= xcellent work at a very reasonable price.
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I had my body work, including primer coat, done by Jeff Michael and Erik W= oods at EK Composites in Denver (KFTG).  I often spent time in their s= hop working on parts of the plane and interrupting Jeff=A2s work to get hel= p with minor modifications, so don=A2t have a very good idea how much the a= ctual filling and sanding cost.  The workmanship is very good and they= are reasonable in their charges.  They also accommodate your preferen= ces for turnkey work or builder assist.  Tel: 720-371-3013 or 720-203-= 7116.  They are familiar with all Lancair models and can usually give = an estimate of the time and cost.

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So far I've spent 48 hours on filling and= sanding, and the bottom of my airplane is in primer, but not the top.=   I did this so that my paint guy would not have to do the priming wor= k lying on his back (he was very appreciative).  This was done just be= fore attaching the vertical and horizontal tails, so the horizontal tail is= not primed, nor are the wingtips and control surfaces.

I did the "r= ough out" of the filling and sanding.  My goal was to leave only minor= high spots and let the professional do the final pass.  After all, th= at's where all the skill comes in.  In fact, he made one pass, found a= few low spots, added some filler there, and then did the final pass. = Then he sprayed on the primer (PPG K36) and did the block-sanding of that.=   He left it so that it needs one more pass with (I think) 360 grit, s= o that the "tooth" doesn't sit for more than a day or so before spraying on the color= coat.

I highly recommend this approach to builders who are on a bud= get, but still want their planes to look fantastic.  Do the grunt work= yourself (major filling and sanding down to, say, 180 grit) -- this is not= skilled labor.  Let a pro do the final pass.  That *is* skilled = labor.

Oh, and if you can, get the guy to look at it when you think = you are done, because you probably aren't.  In my case, I just brought= a wing down to him.  He pointed out what I should be looking for, how= I should be identifying what needs work, and pointers on what tools to use= and in which directions to be doing the sanding.  It really helped a = lot.

For those of you that can write a check, take a one-month vacat= ion, and pick up your filled, sanded and painted plane -- well, that's grea= t.  I wish I could.  But this way, it will look like I did!

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