X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 10:55:23 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from py-out-1112.google.com ([64.233.166.180] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2c1) with ESMTP id 2456335 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 10:14:22 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.233.166.180; envelope-from=jldysart@zirkel.us Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a25so3581082pyi for ; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 07:13:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.35.62.19 with SMTP id p19mr6236838pyk.1194275624135; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 07:13:44 -0800 (PST) X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from Jacknewdell ( [72.165.28.171]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u62sm11308267pyb.2007.11.05.07.13.41 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 05 Nov 2007 07:13:42 -0800 (PST) From: "Jack Dysart" X-Original-To: Subject: RE: [LML] Filling and Sanding X-Original-Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 08:13:39 -0700 X-Original-Message-ID: <001b01c81fbe$72ab10c0$6401a8c0@Jacknewdell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001C_01C81F83.C64C38C0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acgfu2v+l+EDLi7kQF2xlIQodX0M5wAAGAdw In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Original-Sender: Jack Dysart This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C81F83.C64C38C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I had my body work, including primer coat, done by Jeff Michael and Erik Woods at EK Composites in Denver (KFTG). I often spent time in their shop working on parts of the plane and interrupting Jeff's work to get help with minor modifications, so don't have a very good idea how much the actual filling and sanding cost. The workmanship is very good and they are reasonable in their charges. They also accommodate your preferences for turnkey work or builder assist. Tel: 720-371-3013 or 720-203-7116. They are familiar with all Lancair models and can usually give an estimate of the time and cost. Jack Dysart _____ From: Bryan Wullner [mailto:sbej@verizon.net] Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 7:28 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: Re: [LML] Filling and Sanding How much does it cost to have someone do this portion? ----- Original Message ----- From: rwolf99@aol.com To: lml@lancaironline.net Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 7:04 PM Subject: [LML] Filling and Sanding So far I've spent 48 hours on filling and sanding, and the bottom of my airplane is in primer, but not the top. I did this so that my paint guy would not have to do the priming work lying on his back (he was very appreciative). This was done just before attaching the vertical and horizontal tails, so the horizontal tail is not primed, nor are the wingtips and control surfaces. I did the "rough out" of the filling and sanding. My goal was to leave only minor high spots and let the professional do the final pass. After all, that's where all the skill comes in. In fact, he made one pass, found a few low spots, added some filler there, and then did the final pass. Then he sprayed on the primer (PPG K36) and did the block-sanding of that. He left it so that it needs one more pass with (I think) 360 grit, so that the "tooth" doesn't sit for more than a day or so before spraying on the color coat. I highly recommend this approach to builders who are on a budget, but still want their planes to look fantastic. Do the grunt work yourself (major filling and sanding down to, say, 180 grit) -- this is not skilled labor. Let a pro do the final pass. That *is* skilled labor. Oh, and if you can, get the guy to look at it when you think you are done, because you probably aren't. In my case, I just brought a wing down to him. He pointed out what I should be looking for, how I should be identifying what needs work, and pointers on what tools to use and in which directions to be doing the sanding. It really helped a lot. For those of you that can write a check, take a one-month vacation, and pick up your filled, sanded and painted plane -- well, that's great. I wish I could. But this way, it will look like I did! - Rob Wolf _____ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail ! ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C81F83.C64C38C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I had my body work, including = primer coat, done by Jeff Michael and Erik Woods at EK Composites in Denver = (KFTG).  I often spent time in their shop working on parts of the plane and = interrupting Jeff’s work to get help with minor modifications, so don’t = have a very good idea how much the actual filling and sanding cost.  The = workmanship is very good and they are reasonable in their charges.  They also = accommodate your preferences for turnkey work or builder assist.  Tel: = 720-371-3013 or 720-203-7116.  They are familiar with all Lancair models and can = usually give an estimate of the time and cost.

 

Jack = Dysart

 

From: Bryan = Wullner [mailto:sbej@verizon.net]
Sent: Sunday, November = 04, 2007 7:28 PM
To: = lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: Re: [LML] = Filling and Sanding

 

How much does it cost to have someone do this = portion?


 

----- Original Message ----- =

From: rwolf99@aol.com =

Sent: = Saturday, November 03, 2007 7:04 PM

Subject: [LML] = Filling and Sanding

 

So far I've spent 48 hours on filling and sanding, and = the bottom of my airplane is in primer, but not the top.  I did this so that = my paint guy would not have to do the priming work lying on his back (he was very appreciative).  This was done just before attaching the vertical = and horizontal tails, so the horizontal tail is not primed, nor are the = wingtips and control surfaces.

I did the "rough out" of the filling and sanding.  My = goal was to leave only minor high spots and let the professional do the final pass.  After all, that's where all the skill comes in.  In = fact, he made one pass, found a few low spots, added some filler there, and then = did the final pass.  Then he sprayed on the primer (PPG K36) and did the block-sanding of that.  He left it so that it needs one more pass = with (I think) 360 grit, so that the "tooth" doesn't sit for more than = a day or so before spraying on the color coat.

I highly recommend this approach to builders who are on a budget, but = still want their planes to look fantastic.  Do the grunt work yourself = (major filling and sanding down to, say, 180 grit) -- this is not skilled = labor.  Let a pro do the final pass.  That *is* skilled labor.

Oh, and if you can, get the guy to look at it when you think you are = done, because you probably aren't.  In my case, I just brought a wing = down to him.  He pointed out what I should be looking for, how I should be identifying what needs work, and pointers on what tools to use and in = which directions to be doing the sanding.  It really helped a lot.

For those of you that can write a check, take a one-month vacation, and = pick up your filled, sanded and painted plane -- well, that's great.  I = wish I could.  But this way, it will look like I did!

- Rob Wolf

Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta = check out free AOL Mail!

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