Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #44470
From: Colyn Case on earthlink <colyncase@earthlink.net>
Sender: <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: prop drag
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 21:22:08 -0400
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
Bill,
corrections/additions to this post:
 
- the best info I can find is at http://218.6.160.140/jwb/techdoc/om.pdf
- the prop locks engage below 800 rpm
- (-2) props can be installed with an unfeathering accumulator.  I like that idea.  It would be nice if you could just program yourself to feather immediately whenever in doubt and then be able to undoit.
- there is supposedly a detent in the control.  However, I haven't noticed it when operating my prop.
- Alan said these don't really feather.  I wasn't able to find blade angles but I can say that when I feathered mine and shut it down it looked parallel to the airflow to me.   There is a counterweighted but not feathering version.  Maybe that is what Alan was talking about.
 
there was a debate earlier about the tradeoffs of having a feathered prop vs. just having one you can set to high pitch.  One member was able to complete a normal pattern after he lost oil pressure but still had power on climbout.   With a full-feathering prop, he would have had no power.
 
I decided to go feathering because:
a) losing an engine in inhospitable terrain seems like a pretty big issue in a high speed single.
b) exposure time to problem (a) is greater than exposure time to oil-pressure-failure-on-takeoff-but-the-engine-is-still-running.
c) I considered more forward cg a good thing.
 
I do wish for a composite prop these days, though.
 
Colyn
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 6:52 PM
Subject: [LML] Re: prop drag

> I'm considering a feathering prop but I've never used one. What happens
> at startup and low RPM's- is there a control detent to prevent the prop
> from going feathered?  -Bill Wade
 
Bill,  there's no detent in the control.   I am not an expert so I'm posting this so some prop expert can correct me....
 
once you set the rpm below some threshold, I've been told it's going to keep going toward full feathered.   I've been told this happens about 1900 rpm.
 
There is, however, a detent in the mechanism.  If the govenor setting is above some threshold, the prop is locked in a fine position as the rpm falls through about 1200 rpm.   Therefore you have to be above that rpm when you command full feather or it won't.
 
The Hartzell I have, will not unfeather without power.    With a strong battery you can crank it for a long time ( > 20 seconds)  to get enough oil pressure to change the pitch back to fine.   This was empiracally tested on one plane I know of.
 
So as I see it, the situation relative to full feathering props is:
pro: automatically goes to feather on engine out
pro: (or con depending) hub is heavier than stock so it moves your cg forward
pro: excellent gliding range from high altitude
con: goes to feather on low oil pressure, even if the engine is still making power
con: harder to restart in the air if it feathered because of lo oil passure
con: the hartzell version I have is metal so that is a rougher ride.
 
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